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Old 05-01-2017, 01:09 AM   #1
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After having taken a longer break I orchestrated again a certain wonderful piece of a well known composer - do you guess the composer or even the original piece?


www.gerdprengel.de/piece.mp3


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Old 05-01-2017, 07:09 AM   #2
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Hello Gerd - it's J.S.Bach, the G minor fugue from Book 1.
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Hello Gerd - it's J.S.Bach, the G minor fugue from Book 1.
no, Peter, it is not by Bach ;-)
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Old 05-01-2017, 08:47 AM   #4
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Oops I'm slipping up in my middle age and not paying enough attention! - it just reminded me of that piece, try listening to the Bach G minor and you'll see what I mean. I'll have a rethink with a bit more care this time.
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Oops I'm slipping up in my middle age and not paying enough attention! - it just reminded me of that piece, try listening to the Bach G minor and you'll see what I mean. I'll have a rethink with a bit more care this time.
I did listen to the Bach fugue, and indeed in the beginning there are similiarities, but but the piece I refer to is much longer. And the gorgeous climax in the ending is unlike any Bach fugue
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Ah I think I have it - Mendelssohn E minor fugue Op.35.
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Old 05-01-2017, 12:58 PM   #7
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Yes, very good, Peter, this wonderful work written by Mendelssohn at an incredible age of 18 in 1827!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ahTuRzV6CI at 2:10


Does the theme at 5:02 ff. remind you of a main theme of a Beethoven overture? This gave me the impuls to do an orchestration of this work (and of course because of the awesome choral in the end)


Here is my score: http://www.gerdprengel.de/Mendelssoh..._35-1_orch.pdf

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That's a great piece and a great orchestration. Never heard it before.

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Does the theme at 5:02 ff. remind you of a main theme of a Beethoven overture?

Op. 124?
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Old 05-01-2017, 03:24 PM   #9
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That's a great piece and a great orchestration. Never heard it before.


Op. 124?
I am glad that you like it and it's a new discovery for you! Actually ALL of the Preludes and Fugues of Mendelssohns op. 35 are true gems!! Check them at YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M94SjeiupEU

Yes, I think it's very similiar to Beethoven's Consecration of the House overture, isn't it?
It is always said that Beethoven himself was inspired by Handel for this theme, but I don't know of a similiar Handel theme. Instead I find a striking similiarity to Bach's BV956: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EDDTdjRpDA
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Old 05-15-2017, 04:37 PM   #10
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May I continue with my quiz? This month I discovered such a beautiful (but rather unknown) chorus with orchestra that I edited it into my notation system just to study especially the rich handling of the woodwinds. Do you recognize the composer?
This piece is part of a larger work.

www.gerdprengel.de/piece2.mp3

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Old 05-15-2017, 05:53 PM   #11
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It sounds like Brahms, similar to his Schicksalslied. I'm probably wrong!
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It sounds like Brahms, similar to his Schicksalslied. I'm probably wrong!
No, it's not Brahms. You should recognise the composer by listening to the original (not best soundquality):

http://www.gerdprengel.de/piece2-original.mp3
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Mendelssohn?
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Old 05-16-2017, 07:38 AM   #14
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If that's not Mozart, I don't know what is.

Edit - Having listened to it again, I change my answer to Brahms, even though you said it wasn't.

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a little help: it was written in the first quarter of the 19th century ;-)
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Now that you mention it, it does sound very Beethoven-ish. So much so that I will kick myself if it is and I didn't hear it initially.
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Sounds very like the second movement from Beethoven's secular cantata: "Der Glorreiche Augenblick"?
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Congratulation, Michael, yes, it is the "Glorreiche Augenblick". It is the conclusion of this wonderful Aria with choir starting at 18:25 of:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmHXWVnbvuM

Indeed, hal9000, it does sound "very,very Beethoven-isch", actually I cannot think of anyone else who could have written it. It reminds me also of the Opferlied op.121b.

I wonder why we as friends of Beethovens, including me, have overseen this work so far...

.... enjoy also the jubilent ending starting at 30:10 :-)
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I wonder why we as friends of Beethovens, including me, have overseen this work so far...

.... enjoy also the jubilent ending starting at 30:10 :-)
I'm remedying that situation now and giving your link a listen
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I wonder why we as friends of Beethovens, including me, have overseen this work so far...

.... enjoy also the jubilent ending starting at 30:10 :-)
Lovely arrangement, by the way. It's had me humming the tune all morning.
Incidentally, the chorus at the end of the cantata includes children's voices for the first and only time in Beethoven's work!
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Lovely arrangement, by the way. It's had me humming the tune all morning.
same with me! I can't get the melody out of my head anymore -so beautiful ... :-)
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It's a pity that this work has such a dated and slightly odd libretto - rather like the "Christus am ölberge" oratorio. I think that's what has held these pieces back from being more popular, although the last-mentioned was well-known in England for a while with a different text.

"The Glorious Moment" was also re-published after Beethoven's death with a new text called "Serenade to Music" but I've never been able to come across that version!
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It's a pity that this work has such a dated and slightly odd libretto - rather like the "Christus am ölberge" oratorio. I think that's what has held these pieces back from being more popular, although the last-mentioned was well-known in England for a while with a different text.

"The Glorious Moment" was also re-published after Beethoven's death with a new text called "Serenade to Music" but I've never been able to come across that version!
Well done for getting that Michael - It's an awful long time since I listened to it and it obviously didn't make a great impression at the time, but Gerd's excerpt is really beautiful and I'll give it another go!
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Well, this was fun. If you like this kind of quiz - something else?

Then whose musical language are these so beautiful pieces?
(I love it to recognise a composer even if I never have heard the work before!)


www.gerdprengel.de/piece4.mp3

www.gerdprengel.de/piece5.mp3

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Old 05-18-2017, 12:19 AM   #25
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That first piece is absolutely beautiful but I don't know who wrote it. I'll leave it to the experts with wider musical knowledge (i.e. not totally obsessed with a certain deaf composer.)

But you are really scraping the bottom of the Beethoven barrel with the second one! (For obscurity, I mean.)

Another work composed during the Congress of Vienna, it's the "Chorus for the Allied Princes."






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Well, this was fun. If you like this kind of quiz - something else?

Then whose musical language are these so beautiful pieces?
(I love it to recognise a composer even if I never have heard the work before!)


www.gerdprengel.de/piece4.mp3

www.gerdprengel.de/piece5.mp3

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I'll stick my neck out again and go for Mendelssohn for the first one. You're certainly finding some gems Gerd (please keep them coming), lovely piece whoever wrote it!
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Classic FM have quite a tricky quiz :
http://www.classicfm.com/discover-mu...al-music-quiz/

For what it's worth, I managed 12 out of 20.
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Classic FM have quite a tricky quiz :
http://www.classicfm.com/discover-mu...al-music-quiz/

For what it's worth, I managed 12 out of 20.
I tried that one. Fiendish! I'm too embarrassed to give my low score!
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Classic FM have quite a tricky quiz :
http://www.classicfm.com/discover-mu...al-music-quiz/

For what it's worth, I managed 12 out of 20.
10 out of 20 for me. Very difficult!
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11 for me, but a lot were hit and miss.
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They could have made the questions a bit simpler - like "who wrote Beethoven's Fifth?"
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I'll stick my neck out again and go for Mendelssohn for the first one. You're certainly finding some gems Gerd (please keep them coming), lovely piece whoever wrote it!
Yes, Peter, very good, this can be only Mendelssohn! It belongs to the Oratorio Christus on which Mendelssohn was working shortly before his death, so only a few pieces were finished - but it is soooo moving and beautiful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjcUTtnfST8 (here only second part)

Good, that you appreciate my "gems" :-)

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Yes, Peter, very good, this can be only Mendelssohn! It belongs to the Oratorio Christus on which Mendelssohn was working shortly before his death, so only a few pieces were finished - but it is soooo moving and beautiful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjcUTtnfST8 (here only second part)

Good, that you appreciate my "gems" :-)

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Isn't it extraordinary how so much of Mendelssohn's choral music is unknown? I've been listening to his wonderful Chorale cantatas for choir and orchestra.
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Isn't it extraordinary how so much of Mendelssohn's choral music is unknown? I've been listening to his wonderful Chorale cantatas for choir and orchestra.
Oh yes, these Choral cantatas are so beautiful! Also the Psalms and various
a capella chorusses. I have a box of 10 CDs all of his spiritual music (without the oratorios). Most of these belong to my favourite music.
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Here I have 2 pearls which I discovered not too long ago. I can't tell you how much I love these so intimate examples of chamber music mastery. Who may have written them?

www.gerdprengel.de/piece6.mp3
www.gerdprengel.de/piece7.mp3
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Brahms?
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Here I have 2 pearls which I discovered not too long ago. I can't tell you how much I love these so intimate examples of chamber music mastery. Who may have written them?

www.gerdprengel.de/piece6.mp3
www.gerdprengel.de/piece7.mp3
The first one is 3rd movt of Schumann's violin sonata no.2. Not sure yet about the other one.
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Got it! Schumann again, the 2nd of his 5 pieces for 'cello in folk style.
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There's so much music I have yet to discover.
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There's so much music I have yet to discover.
A lifetime isn't enough! I recall reading somewhere that even Yehudi Menuhin only first heard the last Beethoven quartets towards the end of his life.
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