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Old 05-01-2017, 12:09 AM   #1
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After having taken a longer break I orchestrated again a certain wonderful piece of a well known composer - do you guess the composer or even the original piece?


www.gerdprengel.de/piece.mp3


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Old 05-01-2017, 06:09 AM   #2
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Hello Gerd - it's J.S.Bach, the G minor fugue from Book 1.
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Hello Gerd - it's J.S.Bach, the G minor fugue from Book 1.
no, Peter, it is not by Bach ;-)
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Old 05-01-2017, 07:47 AM   #4
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Oops I'm slipping up in my middle age and not paying enough attention! - it just reminded me of that piece, try listening to the Bach G minor and you'll see what I mean. I'll have a rethink with a bit more care this time.
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Oops I'm slipping up in my middle age and not paying enough attention! - it just reminded me of that piece, try listening to the Bach G minor and you'll see what I mean. I'll have a rethink with a bit more care this time.
I did listen to the Bach fugue, and indeed in the beginning there are similiarities, but but the piece I refer to is much longer. And the gorgeous climax in the ending is unlike any Bach fugue
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Old 05-01-2017, 09:17 AM   #6
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Ah I think I have it - Mendelssohn E minor fugue Op.35.
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Yes, very good, Peter, this wonderful work written by Mendelssohn at an incredible age of 18 in 1827!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ahTuRzV6CI at 2:10


Does the theme at 5:02 ff. remind you of a main theme of a Beethoven overture? This gave me the impuls to do an orchestration of this work (and of course because of the awesome choral in the end)


Here is my score: http://www.gerdprengel.de/Mendelssoh..._35-1_orch.pdf

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Old 05-01-2017, 01:28 PM   #8
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That's a great piece and a great orchestration. Never heard it before.

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Does the theme at 5:02 ff. remind you of a main theme of a Beethoven overture?

Op. 124?
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That's a great piece and a great orchestration. Never heard it before.


Op. 124?
I am glad that you like it and it's a new discovery for you! Actually ALL of the Preludes and Fugues of Mendelssohns op. 35 are true gems!! Check them at YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M94SjeiupEU

Yes, I think it's very similiar to Beethoven's Consecration of the House overture, isn't it?
It is always said that Beethoven himself was inspired by Handel for this theme, but I don't know of a similiar Handel theme. Instead I find a striking similiarity to Bach's BV956: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EDDTdjRpDA
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May I continue with my quiz? This month I discovered such a beautiful (but rather unknown) chorus with orchestra that I edited it into my notation system just to study especially the rich handling of the woodwinds. Do you recognize the composer?
This piece is part of a larger work.

www.gerdprengel.de/piece2.mp3

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Old 05-15-2017, 04:53 PM   #11
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It sounds like Brahms, similar to his Schicksalslied. I'm probably wrong!
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It sounds like Brahms, similar to his Schicksalslied. I'm probably wrong!
No, it's not Brahms. You should recognise the composer by listening to the original (not best soundquality):

http://www.gerdprengel.de/piece2-original.mp3
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Old 05-16-2017, 06:38 AM   #14
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If that's not Mozart, I don't know what is.

Edit - Having listened to it again, I change my answer to Brahms, even though you said it wasn't.

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a little help: it was written in the first quarter of the 19th century ;-)
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Now that you mention it, it does sound very Beethoven-ish. So much so that I will kick myself if it is and I didn't hear it initially.
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Sounds very like the second movement from Beethoven's secular cantata: "Der Glorreiche Augenblick"?
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Congratulation, Michael, yes, it is the "Glorreiche Augenblick". It is the conclusion of this wonderful Aria with choir starting at 18:25 of:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmHXWVnbvuM

Indeed, hal9000, it does sound "very,very Beethoven-isch", actually I cannot think of anyone else who could have written it. It reminds me also of the Opferlied op.121b.

I wonder why we as friends of Beethovens, including me, have overseen this work so far...

.... enjoy also the jubilent ending starting at 30:10 :-)
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I wonder why we as friends of Beethovens, including me, have overseen this work so far...

.... enjoy also the jubilent ending starting at 30:10 :-)
I'm remedying that situation now and giving your link a listen
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I wonder why we as friends of Beethovens, including me, have overseen this work so far...

.... enjoy also the jubilent ending starting at 30:10 :-)
Lovely arrangement, by the way. It's had me humming the tune all morning.
Incidentally, the chorus at the end of the cantata includes children's voices for the first and only time in Beethoven's work!
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Lovely arrangement, by the way. It's had me humming the tune all morning.
same with me! I can't get the melody out of my head anymore -so beautiful ... :-)
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Old 05-18-2017, 09:52 AM   #22
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Classic FM have quite a tricky quiz :
http://www.classicfm.com/discover-mu...al-music-quiz/

For what it's worth, I managed 12 out of 20.
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Classic FM have quite a tricky quiz :
http://www.classicfm.com/discover-mu...al-music-quiz/

For what it's worth, I managed 12 out of 20.
I tried that one. Fiendish! I'm too embarrassed to give my low score!
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Classic FM have quite a tricky quiz :
http://www.classicfm.com/discover-mu...al-music-quiz/

For what it's worth, I managed 12 out of 20.
10 out of 20 for me. Very difficult!
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11 for me, but a lot were hit and miss.
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They could have made the questions a bit simpler - like "who wrote Beethoven's Fifth?"
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Here I have 2 pearls which I discovered not too long ago. I can't tell you how much I love these so intimate examples of chamber music mastery. Who may have written them?

www.gerdprengel.de/piece6.mp3
www.gerdprengel.de/piece7.mp3
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Here I have 2 pearls which I discovered not too long ago. I can't tell you how much I love these so intimate examples of chamber music mastery. Who may have written them?

www.gerdprengel.de/piece6.mp3
www.gerdprengel.de/piece7.mp3
The first one is 3rd movt of Schumann's violin sonata no.2. Not sure yet about the other one.
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Brahms?
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Got it! Schumann again, the 2nd of his 5 pieces for 'cello in folk style.
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There's so much music I have yet to discover.
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There's so much music I have yet to discover.
A lifetime isn't enough! I recall reading somewhere that even Yehudi Menuhin only first heard the last Beethoven quartets towards the end of his life.
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A lifetime isn't enough! I recall reading somewhere that even Yehudi Menuhin only first heard the last Beethoven quartets towards the end of his life.
That's amazing. I heard the late quartets (on recordings) when I was about 22 and had no knowledge of music beyond Elvis and the Beatles (and that is not to demean them!). But how could an artist of the caliber of Menuhin not have heard those transcendent works much earlier?

Anyway, well done, Peter, on identifying the gorgeous music presented by gprengel who should keep up the quizzes (if there's such a word). I need a push to draw me away from my musical drug, Beethoven.
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Very good, Peter, how did you recognise the pieces? At least the second piece is rather unknown...but how beautiful!!!There is a rendition by Pablo Casals in YouTube - awesome!!
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Very good, Peter, how did you recognise the pieces? At least the second piece is rather unknown...but how beautiful!!!There is a rendition by Pablo Casals in YouTube - awesome!!
I'm better with instrumental music than choral. I knew they were both Schumann, but I couldn't recall at first what the 2nd one was, then I remembered the 5 folk pieces for 'cello which I have on an old LP coupled with the 'cello concerto.
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How about these wonderful pieces? Who may have written these? Do you even know the works?

www.gerdprengel.de/piece8.mp3

www.gerdprengel.de/piece9.mp3

www.gerdprengel.de/piece10.mp3
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Shostakovich? I know the first one definitely is. He's another one I need to explore, but like Peter said, a lifetime's not enough.
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Yes the first one is Shostakovich piano concerto 2 slow movt, I think the second one is Tchaikovsky, but I'm not sure what, it's not any of his symphonies. The 3rd piece sounds Russian even Tchaikovsky in parts, Glazunov?
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Yes the first one is Shostakovich piano concerto 2 slow movt, I think the second one is Tchaikovsky, but I'm not sure what, it's not any of his symphonies. The 3rd piece sounds Russian even Tchaikovsky in parts, Glazunov?
1) yes, Peter, you are right with the first one - how I love this wonderful Andante from Shostakovich's piano concerto 2! What a deep simplicity and beauty! Why didn't he wrote more works of this kind? Apart from this so far only parts of his 7th symphony and parts from his gorgous 'Gadfly' filmmusic could reach me in any way.

2) You are also right, of course, with the composer, but indeed it is a symphony! But unfortuneately Tchaikovsky abandoned it which should have become his 6th symphony and the material was used in his 3rd piano concerto instead. But it was reconstructed and today it is known as his 7th symphony. Of this I love the slow and the final movements so much, and I wonder why Tchaikovsky abandoned it. This is much better than the 3rd piano concerto.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NCLKiZRfQ4

3) yes, indeed it is also Russian - the wonderful prelude of the opera Chowantschina from Mussorgsky:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDquWRuskVI (listen to 2:06 - one of an absolute highlight of Russian music!!)

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1) yes, Peter, you are right with the first one - how I love this wonderful Andante from Shostakovich's piano concerto 2! What a deep simplicity and beauty! Why didn't he wrote more works of this kind? Apart from this so far only parts of his 7th symphony and parts from his gorgous 'Gadfly' filmmusic could reach me in any way.

2) You are also right, of course, with the composer, but indeed it is a symphony! But unfortuneately Tchaikovsky abandoned it which should have become his 6th symphony and the material was used in his 3rd piano concerto instead. But it was reconstructed and today it is known as his 7th symphony. Of this I love the slow and the final movements so much, and I wonder why Tchaikovsky abandoned it. This is much better than the 3rd piano concerto.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NCLKiZRfQ4

3) yes, indeed it is also Russian - the wonderful prelude of the opera Chowantschina from Mussorgsky:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDquWRuskVI (listen to 2:06 - one of an absolute highlight of Russian music!!)
Thank you Gerd for introducing me to that wonderful Mussorgsky prelude - a real gem. I knew about Tchaikovsky's abandoned symphony but haven't heard it, the first movt is definitely the weakest part, but I particularly like the 2nd movt.
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