Originally posted by AeolianHarp
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I think the point you're missing Aeolian is not that we're saying atheists are immoral, better or any worse than many so called religious people, but that from an atheistic perspective there cannot be any such thing as good or evil. What to you is wrong may not be to someone else and who are you or I to say who is right? If your answer is simply 'because it's what I feel and believe', that's no good simply because another person will tell you he thinks it perfectly right to steal, be unfaithful and lie and you simply can't tell him he's 'wrong' only that you don't agree. The reason there is so much immorality in the world is precisely because people do justify themselves by their own standards and no atheist has any right to complain about the consequences because it is the logical outcome of their philosophy! Nietzsche wrote “God is dead”, and he saw where his logic led. He wrote that “our moral judgments and evaluations are only images and fantasies based on a physiological process unknown to us.” At least he was being honest about his beliefs in nothing.
You stated to Chris "But sadly there are hedonistic, debauched people who lack some morals- many will live a life of self gratification and materialism but even then would stop at murder...then you get those who'd stop at nothing to get what they want." Firstly, from an atheist point of view who are you or I to judge them as 'immoral' and secondly from the atheistic perspective why shouldn't they live their lives like that if they want to? In an earlier thread you said it didn't matter if people were married or not, yet my father who is also an atheist would regard people living together as immoral! You see the problems with this moral relativism?
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