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    #1

    The writing on the wall....

    I have been yanking lots of chains lately for entertainment...but now I have a seerious query I bet someone somewhere knows the answer to and I did post it on the other LVB site BTW....


    how did this get on the side of the house beethoven was born in...by whom...for what purpose...anyone know the history? Without knowing anything myself, I am inclined to think a family member staying in the house at the time may have thought to have it erected (I could be completely off target though, you know--it's a human frailty thing....)--or was it erected for his brother who died before his birth?

    http://www.lvbeethoven.com/MeetLvB/G...oven-Haus.html


    thanks!

    PHX
    Last edited by EternaLisa; 06-20-2013, 08:10 PM.
    "It was not the fortuitous meeting of the chordal atoms that made the world; if order and beauty are reflected in the constitution of the universe, then there is a God."
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    #2
    I should imagine it was put there by the Beethovenhaus association sometime after they purchased the property in 1889. It refers to Beethoven himself, not the brother who died at birth.
    'Man know thyself'

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      #3
      Originally posted by Peter View Post
      **I should imagine it was put there by the Beethovenhaus association sometime after they purchased the property in 1889.

      *It refers to Beethoven himself, not the brother who died at birth.
      *yeah--I should know better
      **well, I guess we'll never really know about quite a few things, unless something turns up that has been hiding under a rock--you know...

      about the birth certificate for instance: maybe someone filed it away in their handy coat pocket at the time of birth during the excitment of Beethoven's arrival into their world (God only knows LOL) because things like unknown Beethoven compositions have turned up in unexpectant places such as far away lands like Cornwall, England (because Beethoven carried it there, himself or gave it to a friend who carried it there ... or perhaps 'another baby' in the family wasn't such a cause for any manner of fanfare at all...because why did Ludwig have to wonder if he was born two years later or not of the accepted timeframe....? Geeze

      It is very possible too, that despite tradition, (there are always and invariably exceptions to man's rules/directives) Ludwig Beethoven may have been baptized on the date of his birth...

      how do we really know for certain that he was baptized the day after his birth though? he may have been baptized later than that....

      what do you think?


      xoxo
      E
      Last edited by EternaLisa; 06-21-2013, 08:39 PM.
      "It was not the fortuitous meeting of the chordal atoms that made the world; if order and beauty are reflected in the constitution of the universe, then there is a God."

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        #4
        Eternalisa, does it really matter a great deal if Ludwig was Baptized on the date of his birth or after. It's not something that I would waste time pondering.
        Were just thankful that Ludwig came into this world and left us an imperishable legacy.
        ‘Roses do not bloom hurriedly; for beauty, like any masterpiece, takes time to blossom.’

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          #5
          Originally posted by Megan View Post
          Eternalisa, does it really matter a great deal if Ludwig was Baptized on the date of his birth or after..

          nah-not really... B-cause after everything falls away, the music is what's left standing - obviously--isn't it?
          "It was not the fortuitous meeting of the chordal atoms that made the world; if order and beauty are reflected in the constitution of the universe, then there is a God."

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            #6
            Originally posted by EternaLisa View Post
            *yeah--I should know better
            **well, I guess we'll never really know about quite a few things, unless something turns up that has been hiding under a rock--you know...

            about the birth certificate for instance: maybe someone filed it away in their handy coat pocket at the time of birth during the excitment of Beethoven's arrival into their world (God only knows LOL) because things like unknown Beethoven compositions have turned up in unexpectant places such as far away lands like Cornwall, England (because Beethoven carried it there, himself or gave it to a friend who carried it there ... or perhaps 'another baby' in the family wasn't such a cause for any manner of fanfare at all...because why did Ludwig have to wonder if he was born two years later or not of the accepted timeframe....? Geeze

            It is very possible too, that despite tradition, (there are always and invariably exceptions to man's rules/directives) Ludwig Beethoven may have been baptized on the date of his birth...

            how do we really know for certain that he was baptized the day after his birth though? he may have been baptized later than that....

            what do you think?


            xoxo
            E

            There wouldn't have been a birth certificate as only church baptism records were kept and we know the custom was for this to take place within 24 hours of birth. Beethoven was unaware simply because he wasn't interested until he considered marriage some years later.
            'Man know thyself'

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              #7
              Originally posted by Peter View Post
              There wouldn't have been a birth certificate as only church baptism records were kept and we know the custom was for this to take place within 24 hours of birth. *Beethoven was unaware simply because he wasn't interested until he considered marriage some years later.
              within 24 hours--hmm--yep he could have been baptized on his bdate...see....?

              *I supposed his father must've been ceased by then and not available for comment - as usually the parents are the ones who never forget their child's first day.. like mine told me in a bday card:
              happy 16th birthday, from your mother, who well remembers your first"

              thanks for the reply.

              xoxox
              L
              "It was not the fortuitous meeting of the chordal atoms that made the world; if order and beauty are reflected in the constitution of the universe, then there is a God."

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                #8
                Originally posted by EternaLisa View Post
                within 24 hours--hmm--yep he could have been baptized on his bdate...see....?

                *I supposed his father must've been ceased by then and not available for comment - as usually the parents are the ones who never forget their child's first day.. like mine told me in a bday card:
                happy 16th birthday, from your mother, who well remembers your first"

                thanks for the reply.

                xoxox
                L
                You're welcome Eternal L. Yes it is slightly uncertain. Also you have to remember that they didn't celebrate birthdays but name days - Beethoven's was August 25th after St.Louis.
                'Man know thyself'

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Peter View Post
                  You're welcome Eternal L. Yes it is slightly uncertain. Also you have to remember that they didn't celebrate birthdays but name days - Beethoven's was August 25th after St.Louis.
                  Ah isn't that an interesting note I haven't completely grasped (must B getting older-lol-after all we are one day older than yesterday...), so can you please expand on that to explain why they did that? Maybe that can be a past time in the now...

                  thanks!

                  L
                  "It was not the fortuitous meeting of the chordal atoms that made the world; if order and beauty are reflected in the constitution of the universe, then there is a God."

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by EternaLisa View Post
                    Ah isn't that an interesting note I haven't completely grasped (must B getting older-lol-after all we are one day older than yesterday...), so can you please expand on that to explain why they did that? Maybe that can be a past time in the now...

                    thanks!

                    L
                    The celebration of name days has been a tradition in Catholic and Orthodox countries since the Middle Ages. The church promoted celebration of name days (saints' feast days) over birthdays, as the latter was seen as a pagan tradition.
                    'Man know thyself'

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Peter View Post
                      The celebration of name days has been a tradition in Catholic and Orthodox countries since the Middle Ages. The church promoted celebration of name days (saints' feast days) over birthdays, as the latter was seen as a pagan tradition.
                      Thank you-
                      "It was not the fortuitous meeting of the chordal atoms that made the world; if order and beauty are reflected in the constitution of the universe, then there is a God."

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