An old phrase.

[Quijote]

That's precisely the point. Man without an article MEANS mankind.

Justo, Enrique. (That's right, Henry)
Still, what counts is that 'man' has been to the moon. Mars soon, I hope !!

[Enrique]

And Jupiter and beyond, as in Kubric's 2001: A Space Odyssey.

[Quijote]

And Jupiter and beyond, as in 2001.

Not in our lifetime I'm afraid, Enrique. But it will happen. Sci-fi becomes reality, isn't it? Did it all not start with HG Wells? One day we may even confront God.

[Enrique]

Yes, Wells was the like of Julio Verne. If you allow me, I'll edit my previous post. I should say "2001: A Space Odyssey". It was here that I, like so many people, knew Also Spracht Zaratustra, with its introduction, maybe a bit effectist but, nonetheless, so effective. These first bars have followed the fate of so many things, like Eine Kleine Nacht Music to quote one, but what a master was Strauss orchestrating! And all because of Stanley Kubric, a man which must have had an enormous knowledge of music and, to be sure, a fine taste. No lo cree, Philip (I'm assuming you've gone to the cinema once in a while).

P.D.: God is around the corner, waiting to surprise us all.

[Quijote]

Yes, Wells was the like of Julio Verne. If you allow me, I'll edit my previous post. I should say "2001: A Space Odyssey". It was here that I, like so many people, knew Also Spracht Zaratustra, with its introduction, maybe a bit effectist but, nonetheless, so effective. These first bars have followed the fate of so many things, like Eine Kleine Nacht Music to quote one, but what a master was Strauss orchestrating! And all because of Stanley Kubric, a man which must have had an enormous knowledge of music and, to be sure, a fine taste. No lo cree, Philip (I'm assuming you've gone to the cinema once in a while).

P.D.: God is around the corner, waiting to surprise us all.

Yes, the Kubrick '2001', my first introduction to Ligeti. What a perfect choice for some of the scenes in that film !! Si, hombre, yo voy de vez en cuando al cine !
PS: En realidad, no creo en dios, pero el Higgs boson y todo eso ...

[Enrique]

Exactly: the Higgs boson ... well, me neither, but science confront us with misteries greater and greater each time ...

[Quijote]

Exactly: the Higgs boson ... well, me neither, but science confront us with misteries greater and greater each time ...

Yes, greater and greater, and I think we are only 'scratching the surface' for the moment (aranar un poco la superficie).

[Enrique]

Muy cierto, Philip. The bloody thing is they are all like in mystery religions, where you are not expected to understand some truth, but you must simply believe it. To understand what really the state of knowledge today is, you must first get a PhD in mathematics, for it is the only language to make those truths understandable. A real misfortune. During the rennaicence, a cultivated man could expect to know what was it they (the scientists) were doing. Not anymore. But an understanding of the universe, the place we live in is a necessity of any alert man! Let's do as Beethoven did and pass on to more pleasurable sounds (y pasemos a mas agradables sonidos). After all there exists art, that science has not yet negated us.

[Quijote]

De acuerdo, pasemos a mas agradables sonidos ...
Just to give closure then to this thread, if I may, you were right to question the Armstrong phrase as he took his first step for mankind on extraterrestial ground.

[Enrique]

Fine.

[Preston]

Related to this, for some time, by a minority, it has been said that the 1st landing on the moon (with Neil Armstrong) was fake. They say that because apparently? there is no wind on the moon and the american flag was blowing heavily when they put it in the ground.

Of course that is most likely not true, but just thought I would post.

This is an article from years ago, it is apparently a spoof website - the articles are not true for the most part - but it is about Neil Armstrong landing on the moon.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/con...ong-moon,2796/

[Sorrano]

Interestingly enough, Preston, that we can see some of the flags still on the moon with our telescopes. There was a movie based on the assumption that the lunar landing was faked, but I do not recall the title.

[Preston]

Interestingly enough, Preston, that we can see some of the flags still on the moon with our telescopes. There was a movie based on the assumption that the lunar landing was faked, but I do not recall the title.

Thanks Sorrano. I am assuming that you are talking about telescopes that can be kept in a house - if so, that is quite interesting.

I did not know there was an entire movie about that, kind-of shocking. I just could not imagine an extremely large operation as building a space shuttle and then sending it to the moon, to be a cover-up. Someone would have talked, etc. That is why I am convinced that the 1st landing was truthful.

[Sorrano]

The movie is Capricorn One.

[PDG]

The movie is Capricorn One.

Not quite, Sorrano. Capricorn One is about a faked Mars landing.