Wo0 100

[lysander]

Ignaz Schuppanzigh good naturedly served as the butt of Beethoven's frequent jokes about obesity and similarities to Falstaff.
Ludwig wrote the following musical joke for three voices and chorus;-

Schup-pan-zigh is-a dope, dope!. Who-knows him, who knows-him not?
The fat and greedy-hog, the egotistic-im-be-cile! You dope, Schup-pan-zigh! You jack-ass, Schup-pan-zigh! Let all of us-chime in; You are the great-est Jack-ass!
You dope! You jack-ass, You jack-ass! Hi-hi-ha!.

I think this piece is entitled; "Homage to fatty". Has anyone heard this rare piece?


When planning for a dinner after the concert on May 7th 1824, Schindler offered to invite "My Lord Falstaff, if he will promise to eat only a regular meal; otherwise I must order for three more guests".

Beethoven also referred to Schuppanzigh as,
"offspring of the ancient English dynasty of my Lord Falstaff".

Was Ludwig's humour always taken good naturedly?

[Peter]

I haven't but we did feature this selection of vocal canons on the rare page a while back:

WoO101 Graf, liebster Graf - (3pt) Written for Nikolaus Zmeskall 1802

WoO184 Falstafferel, lass dich sehen! - (5pt) Written for Ignaz Schuppanzigh April 1823

WoO196 Es muss sein! - (4pt) Written for Ignaz Dembscher c.July 1826

Hess276 Her Graf, ich komme zu fragen - (3pt) c.1797?

Hess277 Esel aller Esel - (3pt) c.Sep 1826



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[Rod]

Originally posted by lysander:

Ignaz Schuppanzigh good naturedly served as the butt of Beethoven's frequent jokes about obesity and similarities to Falstaff.

Was Ludwig's humour always taken good naturedly?

Well I've always though S must have been pretty thick skinned to take all of this 'leg-pulling' without offence! Beethoven's relationship with him seemed a little detached from what I've read, despite their long association with each other.

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"If I were but of noble birth..." - Rod Corkin

[Joy]

Originally posted by Peter:
I haven't but we did feature this selection of vocal canons on the rare page a while back:

Hess276 Her Graf, ich komme zu fragen - (3pt) c.1797?

Is this that piece where they repeat 'he-haw, ha-haw' like a donkey over and over again. (Or maybe it's WoO 101, written 1802)? It's only 36 seconds long or so? Was that written as a joke for Schuppanzigh as well? That poor guy must have taken a lot of joking!

Joy

[Rod]

Originally posted by Joy:
Is this that piece where they repeat 'he-haw, ha-haw' like a donkey over and over again.

Joy

This is 'Esel aller Esel'.



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"If I were but of noble birth..." - Rod Corkin

[Chris]

Originally posted by Joy:
Is this that piece where they repeat 'he-haw, ha-haw' like a donkey over and over again. (Or maybe it's WoO 101, written 1802)? It's only 36 seconds long or so? Was that written as a joke for Schuppanzigh as well? That poor guy must have taken a lot of joking!
Joy

No, as Rod pointed out, but WoO 101 is possibly my favorite of the vocal canons I have heard. I just listened to it this morning.

[PDG]

Tell us why, Chris?

[Chris]

I suppose for the same reason I prefer blue to red. They are all good, but that one just does something for me especially.