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[Rod]

Originally posted by camden:
Dear Mr Rod,
I thought "argument" could denote simply a line of critical enquiry. What term would you prefer?

Fair enough, there was no justifiable line for critical enquiry in the first place.

Good day Sir.

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"If I were but of noble birth..." - Rod Corkin

[camden]

Maybe it turns out not in the end, but if people didn't continue to challenge rooted assumptions and unsubstantiated myths we would all still believe Schindler!

Anyway, I will be pleased if this turns out to be an empty line of questioning, but I will be happier to have turned over the last stone even if nothing is underneath it.

[Rod]

Originally posted by camden:
Maybe it turns out not in the end, but if people didn't continue to challenge rooted assumptions and unsubstantiated myths we would all still believe Schindler!

..or worse still, Solomon!!

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"If I were but of noble birth..." - Rod Corkin

[Peter]

Originally posted by camden:
Maybe it turns out not in the end, but if people didn't continue to challenge rooted assumptions and unsubstantiated myths we would all still believe Schindler!

Anyway, I will be pleased if this turns out to be an empty line of questioning, but I will be happier to have turned over the last stone even if nothing is underneath it.

Well I think you are right to question it otherwise people who believe this sort of nonsense have nothing to prove them wrong.

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'Man know thyself'

[camden]

That was exactly my position when the case was made to me recently.

[Sorrano]

Originally posted by Peter:
I think the whole notion of this is absurd. Unfortunately there is a website which promotes this as fact.

What a sad and perverse generation we live in. Anything not understood is often suspected of unnatural activity. I don't know if this is similar in Europe, but the American founders are often displayed by so-called historians in a less than inspiring light--as, if you will, horny sex maniacs.

[camden]

Just for the record, sorry to point this out but "unnatural" is not the PC way to refer to homosexuals these days.

By the way, in the case of Schubert, for example, the recently uncovered evidence of his homosexuality prompted reviewed consideration of the background to Winterreisse...the story of the lonely outsider, rejected by society etc.

[Joy]

I've read several different versions of this letter interpreted different ways, worded differently. If Claudie has access to the original she should translate it word for word for us. That's the only way to know the exact words are. Why are there so many different interpretations if there is only one original. Shouldn't every translation be exactly the same?!

[Stephen J. Wade]

I have serious doubts that Ludwig was homosexual. Although many, many homosexuals thru out history have been artistically inclined. And even more, to this day, lead double lives. Being homosexual myself, I can see the need to hide ones true desires from the 'unnatural' society that homosexuals must exist in.
One thing is certain, Ludwig wrote some of the most compelling music the world has yet to hear. If he found 'Immortality' in the arms of a woman or a man, more power to him.

[camden]

Joy,

First of all, think of how many different ways there are of expressing the same idea even within the english language. Even here there are many ways of saying the same thing, all with different emphasis but essentially expressing the same concept. Next, if you have studied languages you must have noticed that the structure of many languages, particularly the grammatical structures, often differ (albeit subtely) from English. Then, because of the differences between languages often literal translation will through up jumbles of words that don't make sense in english.

I hope that helps.

[Sorrano]

Originally posted by camden:
Just for the record, sorry to point this out but "unnatural" is not the PC way to refer to homosexuals these days.

Just for the record, I refer to sexual promiscuity (regardless of gender issues) in general--that which is done out of wedlock as being unnatural. And, I am NOT pc.

[NickB]

Originally posted by Sorrano:
Just for the record, I refer to sexual promiscuity (regardless of gender issues) in general--that which is done out of wedlock as being unnatural. And, I am NOT pc.

Venturing DANGEROUSLY off-topic here, but...of course there are those who would suggest that that which is done IN wedlock is "unnatural", what with nature ignoring marriage altogether.

Regardless, thanks to Steven for trusting this forum enough to reveal something so personal about himself.

Back on topic: The only B I listened to today was Op. 127. Nice stuff, naturlich. Listened to Stravinsky's Rite of Spring in the car at volume though...is this really 'crap'?

[Rod]

Originally posted by NickB:


Back on topic: The only B I listened to today was Op. 127. Nice stuff, naturlich. Listened to Stravinsky's Rite of Spring in the car at volume though...is this really 'crap'?

RoS doesn't even deserve to be included in the same paragraph as op127! Oh, I think I've just done this myself.

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"If I were but of noble birth..." - Rod Corkin

[camden]

Why not? I don't understand.

[Rod]

Originally posted by camden:
Why not? I don't understand.

Because one is a sublime work of supreme genius, and the other....is not...

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"If I were but of noble birth..." - Rod Corkin