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    The limitations of Wikipedia

    Hello to my old friends here.

    As a jazz and rock musician, one of my interests is the historical development of harmony, how the rich contrasts in chords came about, which give post-Renaissance Western music, including popular styles as well as classical, such emotional and dramatic richness. This in contrast to the more generalized emotional states of earlier music, where the various modes produce a more airy feeling and states of repose - not absolutely and always, but much more so when compared with later music.

    It became clear to me that the addition to chords of the third note of the scale was the key factor in this change, and I wanted to trace how this happened. For instance, how a typical root chord of one and five was transformed by the addition of the third, making it one, three and five. I tried a few tomes on harmony but they were too specialized and technical for me to wade through.

    So I went to Wikipedia but couldn't find anything on it. A lot of description of harmony and some of how it came about, but nothing about the addition of the third. So I tried Encyclopedia Britannica Online and there it was, a lengthy and meaty story of how harmony developed in the 16th and 17th centuries, written by an expert, with the third given its proper importance. Including that it was originally thought of as a dissonance, not a harmony, quite interesting. And also very interesting was the statement that along with the development of harmony came the forward impetus, or goal, of music, building toward a resolution and end, in contrast to earlier music, which seemingly just IS, peacefully, rather than having a notable forward impetus.

    The moral for me is that Wikipedia is no substitute for a real encyclopedia written by experts. Often Wikipedia is very technical, too technical for a layman to understand, but I now think that maybe some of this is talented amateurs showing off their knowledge when they may not have a large enough grasp of their subject matter to make it both really knowledgeable
    AND understandable by an educated layman. As Britannica was in this case.
    For me, this was an important thing to learn.
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    When I read wikipedia articles I always try to bear in mind that these articles may be written by amateurs and often do not have any reference material to back what is stated. Anything read online should be taken with a grain of salt, especially when it is open to just about anyone that wants to post.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Chaszz View Post
      Hello to my old friends here.
      Hey there Chaszz! Good to hear from you again. It has been a very long time since you last posted. Hope you are doing well.

      Even though I have been here as long as you, I don't post that often as some of the other members here. But I do check out this forum everyday by habit. In my opinion, this Beethoven forum has always been the best and I enjoy reading what other members have to say on different topics.

      I agree with you and Sorrano about Wikipedia. You really can't be 100% sure that everything listed there is totally accurate since it's open to everyone to add in their two cents worth. I grew up in a time when there weren't any PCs in every home. So when we had to write a school report, we had to use encyclopedias or go to the library to check out the books we needed. Boy, have times changed.
      "God knows why it is that my pianoforte music always makes the worst impression on me, especially when it is played badly." -Beethoven 1804.

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        #4
        Someone tried to make a new harmony based on the addition of fourths instead of the addition of thirds, did you know? He was a famous composer but I don't remember the name.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Enrique View Post
          Someone tried to make a new harmony based on the addition of fourths instead of the addition of thirds, did you know? He was a famous composer but I don't remember the name.
          For some reason I keep thinking of Copland.

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