Just listening to no.18. Mozart of course. I have the 27 by Vladimir Askenazy, superb recordings.
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Originally posted by Peter View PostMozart piano quartets.
However, I hate to bring up Beethoven again - (actually, I don't. It's the bloody Beethoven Reference Site after all ) but I think it has been generally accepted that Beethoven's three piano quartets actually predated Mozart's by a very short period.
I'm not suggesting for a moment that Beethoven's juvenilia are as good as Mozart's works in this area (especially as Beethoven swiped some themes from a Mozart violin sonata) but are there grounds for assuming that our friend invented the medium?
Probably not. Musicologists will no doubt find many precedents. And Mozart certainly never heard Beethoven's early work.
Beethoven can't win them all!
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Originally posted by Michael View PostQuite an unusual medium. Mozart's works are usually regarded as the "locus classicus" in this particular genre.
However, I hate to bring up Beethoven again - (actually, I don't. It's the bloody Beethoven Reference Site after all ) but I think it has been generally accepted that Beethoven's three piano quartets actually predated Mozart's by a very short period.
I'm not suggesting for a moment that Beethoven's juvenilia are as good as Mozart's works in this area (especially as Beethoven swiped some themes from a Mozart violin sonata) but are there grounds for assuming that our friend invented the medium?
Probably not. Musicologists will no doubt find many precedents. And Mozart certainly never heard Beethoven's early work.
Beethoven can't win them all!
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Listening to Schubert's 9th Symphony in C, the same key as Mozart's last symphony and Beethoven's 1st'Man know thyself'
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Kalinnikov / Symphony No. 1 in G Minor
I just got to know this Russian symphony with some incredible good first 2 movements!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EdnO6vEaHk
I adore the second theme of the 1st movement and the fugato in the development, ... and the slow movement has a unique beauty ...Last edited by gprengel; 12-14-2018, 02:07 PM.
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Originally posted by gprengel View PostKalinnikov / Symphony No. 1 in G Minor
I just got to know this Russian symphony with some incredible good first 2 movements!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EdnO6vEaHk
I adore the second theme of the 1st movement and the fugato in the development, ... and the slow movement has a unique beauty ...'Man know thyself'
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Originally posted by Chris View PostI got to talking with some people about Beethoven's Scottish songs and flute music at a party last night, and it of course lead me to revisit the sets of variations Opp. 105 and 107. Delightful music!
I absolutely love the folksong arrangements. I think Beethoven was a bit condescending about those tunes when they were first presented to him, but he gradually realized the beauty of those songs.
I think the third movement of Opus 71, No. 2 is an absolutely beautiful tune - which sounds really Irish. (But I'm Irish and probably biased).
Also, the variations are wondrous. The usual recordings feature flute and piano but there are a few versions with violin and piano. Middle to Late Beethoven cannot be ignored!
Maybe it's a bit far-fetched, but I think the melodious quality of the late quartets could have been "engineered" by his exposure to the folksongs.
(Especially the ones that mention my home town "Killarney"?)
Nah! Ignore the last sentence. Too much wine. Beethoven's failing.
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