Mozart's "Ode to Joy"

[Michael]

Exactly one minute into this piece you may hear a familiar Beethoven tune:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEBYufTXJQk

[Megan]

Exactly one minute into this piece you may hear a familiar Beethoven tune:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEBYufTXJQk

Nice Mozart piece, Michael, well spotted and Ludwig too!

[Zevy]

Exactly one minute into this piece you may hear a familiar Beethoven tune:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEBYufTXJQk

Nice, Michael. There are a number of examples like this. But as much as I admire both Mozart and Beethoven, no one has a monopoly on a series of notes.
See 8:45 of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vkhzVNn5xE. Does it sound familiar? I have more of these, but I must get back to work.
Thanks again.

[Peter]

Nice Mozart piece, Michael, well spotted and Ludwig too!

And perhaps Mozart (or Beethoven) got it from the 2nd theme of Bach's 'Jesu, Joy of man's desiring'!

[Michael]

See 8:45 of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vkhzVNn5xE. Does it sound familiar? I have more of these, but I must get back to work.
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A series of four-note phrases in C minor. Hmm. That rings a Beethoven bell!

Even worse is this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reEdfrWZxVY

Maybe we should call this the Mozart Reference Site.

[Peter]

Examples like these are legion (as a glance at a dictionary of musical themes reveals) and not surprising considering that the common ingredients of arpeggio and scale are present in all melodies that are based on the major/minor tonal system.

[Michael]

Even so, Mozart never stole anything from Beethoven!

[Megan]

There used to be a good Mozart forum which has sadly now disappeared.

[Peter]

Even so, Mozart never stole anything from Beethoven!

Interestingly sometimes pieces such as Beethoven's sonata op.90 2nd movt are referred to as 'Schubertian' even though Beethoven had no contact with his music at that date.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxAeHKE5moM[/YOUTUBE]

[Peter]

There used to be a good Mozart forum which has sadly now disappeared.

Yes it is a shame, but good that we're still managing to keep going here after 16 years!

[Megan]

Yes it is a shame, but good that we're still managing to keep going here after 16 years!

I agree, It is quite phenomenal, I can hardly believe 16 years has gone by!
This site has become something of a fixture in the nicest sense of the word on musical websites and there is no doubt it is the premier go to site for people interested in Beethoven and other composers. I shall continue to enjoy looking in and visiting when I can.

[Chris]

Yes it is a shame, but good that we're still managing to keep going here after 16 years!

And that's actually a pretty significant fraction of the 25 years the world wide web has even existed!

[hal9000]

You think that's bad, I was shocked to find out Beethoven ripped the theme straight out of Schubert's 9th.

Interestingly sometimes pieces such as Beethoven's sonata op.90 2nd movt are referred to as 'Schubertian' even though Beethoven had no contact with his music at that date.

I always thought this sounded quite Chopinian.

[Michael]

You think that's bad, I was shocked to find out Beethoven ripped the theme straight out of Schubert's 9th[/URL].

Not only that, but he had the cheek to steal one of the themes from the first symphony of Brahms!

But, seriously chaps, I agree with Peter and Chris that it's quite remarkable that we are still going strong 16 years on. (And thanks to the aforementioned for that privilege).

Being a Beethoven fanatic, I can't help but be delighted with the fact that our hero has actually grown in stature (if that were possible) in that period. I just hope to be around for 2020 (and I don't mean the Olympics!)

[Michael]

And perhaps Mozart (or Beethoven) got it from the 2nd theme of Bach's 'Jesu, Joy of man's desiring'!

Do you mean the chorale or Bach's arrangement - or the second movement of the whole cantata "Herz und Mund und Tat und Leben"?

(I'm fascinated by musical coincidences!)