Beethoven and Doctor Who

[Michael]

This article has given me a headache:

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2015-...tstrap-paradox

[Chris]

I've been thinking about this since I first saw Back to the Future in the 80s

Assuming going back in time were possible, there's probably no way to know what would happen if you did without trying it out. And even then, you might not know...

[Peter]

Yes it certainly makes you think about what is reality! I suggest a dose of 'Cavatina' Michael to restore your senses! - It was really composed in 2157

[Michael]

The whole thing is an elaborate variation on the chicken and egg theme. Anyway, it seems to have aroused a lot of interest in "Doctor Who" circles, especially the way the Doctor breaks the fourth wall and addresses the viewer directly. If it prompts even one viewer to listen to a Beethoven work for the first time, it will have been worthwhile.
I'll take your advice, Peter, and listen to the yet-to-be-composed Cavatina.




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[hal9000]

"The rules of time travel and logic really, really don’t get on."

Basically the crux of the article :P

As Michael said, if it gets people listening to Beethoven then I'm all for it. Even if some people think Lady Gaga wrote the Pathetique Sonata.

[Michael]

As Michael said, if it gets people listening to Beethoven then I'm all for it. Even if some people think Lady Gaga wrote the Pathetique Sonata.

Now that's more mind-boggling than Doctor Who!

[AeolianHarp]

Now that's more mind-boggling than Doctor Who!

I'm confused..did that creature add Pathetique herself to her weird "film"?

[AeolianHarp]

As Michael said, if it gets people listening to Beethoven then I'm all for it. Even if some people think Lady Gaga wrote the Pathetique Sonata.

I'm not- the context is revolting. I can't stand that gaga thing.

[hal9000]

I'm not- the context is revolting. I can't stand that gaga thing.

Hey, I'd rather that than a bunch of people being disappointed in the Archduke Trio after reading Kafka on the Shore and expecting easily digestable romantic schmaltz, and then being turned off of Beethoven because of that. It's not the worst bastardization of Beethoven's music that I have seen (I'll save this forum from that :P)

[Michael]

. It's not the worst bastardization of Beethoven's music that I have seen (I'll save this forum from that :P)

I'm quite tolerant of Beethoven's music being used in other genres. As we said: if it converts at least one listener to the real thing, it will have been worthwhile.

[AeolianHarp]

I'm quite tolerant of Beethoven's music being used in other genres. As we said: if it converts at least one listener to the real thing, it will have been worthwhile.

Those who listen to and watch that gaga thing are unlikely to appreciate Beethoven.

[AeolianHarp]

Hey, I'd rather that than a bunch of people being disappointed in the Archduke Trio after reading Kafka on the Shore and expecting easily digestable romantic schmaltz, and then being turned off of Beethoven because of that. It's not the worst bastardization of Beethoven's music that I have seen (I'll save this forum from that :P)

I have not read Kafka on the Shore, so I cannot comment on its contents, but "romantic schmaltz" is far better than the sleaze of the gaga creature.

[hal9000]

Those who listen to and watch that gaga thing are unlikely to appreciate Beethoven.

How do you suppose I found out about the Lady Gaga? It's not because I enjoy that type of music, I promise . It was because I was listening to Opus 13 on Youtube and there were a bunch of comments to the effect of: "Came here from a Lady Gaga video." They actively sought out Beethoven via Lady Gaga because they liked it, and that's good enough for me.

I have not read Kafka on the Shore, so I cannot comment on its contents, but "romantic schmaltz" is far better than the sleaze of the gaga creature.

"“It’s beautiful. You never get tired of listening to it. I’d say it’s the most refined of all Beethoven’s piano trios. He wrote it when he was forty, and never wrote another. He must have decided he’d reached the pinnacle in the genre.”

http://sherlockesque.tumblr.com/post...rio-no-7-op-97

I haven't read it either, but like the Gaga, there's a bunch of comments on most Archduke Trio videos mentioning it. And I've read a few that say how they're disappointed because it's not as "beautiful" as they imagined it to be. All of Beethoven's greatest works demand and beg for repeated listenings; they're often not easy listening like a lot of "beautiful" sounding music that you can passively listen to and get after one listening. But to those people that did hear it only once and were disappointed, they've probably gone away with an unfair impression of Beethoven and his music.

My point is, Kafka on the Shore is probably a better artwork than the Lady Gaga, and the context of Beethoven in Kafka is more befitting of the work it references, but I'd rather people seek out Beethoven from Lady Gaga if it means those people have a better first impression of his music and are more likely to stick around.

Edit - For example this rendition is littered with Kafka in the comments, and two in particular:

"Apparently I'm uncouth boor, because I can only say that this is a nice song. Reading Kafka I was expecting something else."

"Murakami brought me here... Damn I don't hear anything special with the music "

To be fair, there are far more people who are there because of Kafka and do like the music.

[Symphony7]

This article has given me a headache:

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2015-...tstrap-paradox

I'll write that article next year, and send it to Jonathan Holmes a few weeks ago when I've finished it.

[Symphony7]

There's an old Doctor Who story where the Doctor meets H G Wells, and gives him some ideas.