A little Bach quiz for you!

[Michael]

Could you be more explicit, Michael?

Gustav Nottebohm, the musicologist, found 29 measures of the finale of Mozart's G minor symphony written into the sketchbook that Beethoven used while composing his Fifth Symphony, and he pointed out that the third movement's theme (of the Fifth) has the same sequence of intervals as the finale of Mozart's symphony.

I don't know if he mentioned anything about the Jupiter symphony, but to my ears, one of the themes in the finale of the Fifth is very similar to one in the second movement of Mozart's last symphony. Sorry I can't direct you to the scores, Enrique, as I don't read music.

[Enrique]

I was some time ago evoking one of them and noticed they were _exactely_ the same notes (save for a fifth). But on second thought, I must have heard that remark before. I felt like showing how one theme can transform into the other by the mere transposition to the fifth and change in figuration, and was about to do it but then... lazy boy.

"I don't know if he mentioned anything about the Jupiter symphony, but to my ears, one of the themes in the finale of the Fifth is very similar to one in the second movement of Mozart's last symphony. Sorry I can't direct you to the scores, Enrique, as I don't read music.":

There are just two themes there (Mozart). The opening theme is one. A little bridge connects it then to the second theme, with the long notes in the woodwinds and the bass strings hammering the same notes (greatest music ever written by him). Which of them are you referring to, Michael?

[Michael]

The opening theme of the Mozart andante cantabile:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXBaD2a7K6c

is almost identical to part of this theme from the finale of Beethoven's Fifth. It appears around 32 seconds in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAyUzxDB9eE

[Enrique]

Certainly, it's precisely the first measure. You're right, a fine ear Michael.

[Michael]

Certainly, it's precisely the first measure. You're right, a fine ear Michael.

Which ear, Enrique?

(I wish I had a fine ear, but thanks anyway!)

[AeolianHarp]

Shall I give you all the answers to my Bach quiz?

[Michael]

Shall I give you all the answers to my Bach quiz?

I hear a hint of the opening of Mozart's G minor symphony (40) around the 5.45 mark.

Also, I hear a lot of Bach.

[AeolianHarp]

I hear a hint of the opening of Mozart's G minor symphony (40) around the 5.45 mark.

Also, I hear a lot of Bach.

Perhaps you do Michael, but here are the answers:

Chopin- Fantasy Impromptu
Beethoven -Hammerklavier Sonata

[Michael]

Perhaps you do Michael, but here are the answers:

Chopin- Fantasy Impromptu
Beethoven -Hammerklavier Sonata

Never spotted that. Can you give a timeline for each piece?

[hal9000]

I can definitely hear some Chopin licks in there, like at 2:20, and I can certainly hear the similarity to Chopin's Impromptu, although it feels like I've heard that exact same passage somewhere in Chopin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROVy9PC8_8At=27s?
I don't hear the Hammerklavier, so you'll have to point that out.

Which composer and piece is this from:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qerA_WrPrNM#t=0m55s

[hal9000]

No it's not that as I've already added extra RAM which has helped with the overall speed but my PC frequently crashes especially with Youtube which is almost unwatchable!

Have you tried switching to HTML5 for watching Youtube videos instead of Flash player?

[Michael]

Since this has become the "plagiarism" thread, here is an example of Beethoven stealing from himself.
This theme appears in the second movement of the Fourth Symphony, at 3.37:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvoGxHvcue0

And here it is again in the first movement of the Hammerklavier Sonata, at 1.18:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww6ktFsBj54




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[Chris]

Since this has become the "plagiarism" thread, here is an example of Beethoven stealing from himself.
This theme appears in the second movement of the Fourth Symphony, at 3.37:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvoGxHvcue0

And here it is again in the first movement of the Hammerklavier Sonata, at 1.18:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww6ktFsBj54
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These are two of my favorite pieces, and somehow I never made that connection!

[hal9000]

Which composer and piece is this from:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qerA_WrPrNM#t=0m55s

It was Mozart's Ave Verum Corpus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvFUw9HvRf8#t=1m58s)

[mselby79]

Nize quiz. I was first just lurking this forum and when hearing this morning third movement of Brahms's first cello sonata, I did remember this thread. I think this is easy for you.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YmXptuK5mw[/YOUTUBE]