I've heard that a prototype of this piece (1st mvmt) was given to B by a guitarist friend of his, and that he merely elaborated on the basic piano part. I certainly hope this is fallacious. I'm not sure that the sonata would have the same effect on me, if I knew that it wasn't completely Ludwig's work. This has really been bothering me. Could I get some info from some of you afficionados? Gracias.
Announcement
Collapse
No announcement yet.
He didn't compose the Moonlight Sonata?
Collapse
X
-
Originally posted by bjorkster:
I've heard that a prototype of this piece (1st mvmt) was given to B by a guitarist friend of his, and that he merely elaborated on the basic piano part. I certainly hope this is fallacious. I'm not sure that the sonata would have the same effect on me, if I knew that it wasn't completely Ludwig's work. This has really been bothering me. Could I get some info from some of you afficionados? Gracias.
------------------
"If I were but of noble birth..." - Rod Corkin
[This message has been edited by Rod (edited 12-01-2001).]
-
I would have never thought it either. I would especially think that this would have come to light (or at least be debated), because this is such a famous work. I've heard it from two different people on message boards. One of them I didn't know, but the other had been posting at the forum for a while; he seemed pretty reliable. This was a guitar site, however, not a classical one. Therefore, he probably wasn't an expert on the subject. I severely hope you're right, Rod. Thanks.
Comment
-
Originally posted by Rod:
I've read alot about Beethoven but I've never heard of this story! Where did you get this from?
I don't believe a word of it - the Moonlight is all B.
------------------
'Man know thyself'
[This message has been edited by Chris (edited 02-04-2002).]'Man know thyself'
Comment
-
Originally posted by Peter:
I think I've heard this somewhere else, probably on one of those damned internet sites!
I don't believe a word of it - the Moonlight is all B.
------------------
"If I were but of noble birth..." - Rod Corkin
[This message has been edited by Chris (edited 02-04-2002).]
Comment
-
Originally posted by bjorkster:
I've heard that a prototype of this piece (1st mvmt) was given to B by a guitarist friend of his, and that he merely elaborated on the basic piano part.
------------------
freedom for all- Ludwig Van Beethoven
Comment
-
>>>>I'm not sure that the sonata would have the same effect on me, if I knew that it wasn't completely Ludwig's work. <<<<<<
Why ? Does it become less of a piece of music ? Do you buy compuers,clothes,cars by label or just choose music ?
BTW... I wouldn't believe a word of it. So you can still like the Moonlight, I'm sure it's by Beethoven.
Steve
Comment
-
No, quite the contrary. I care not in the least about brand names of clothes, cars, etc. However, I think there is pleasure attained from making an emotional link with a composer who has been deceased for over 150 years.
Beethoven was a very personal composer, and I can relate to many of the emotions I'm sure he felt. If the music wasn't written by him, I can't make that same link. I'm not saying I still wouldn't love the piece (because I would, very much). I just wouldn't enjoy it as much. Does this make any sense?
Comment
-
Originally posted by bjorkster:
Beethoven was a very personal composer, and I can relate to many of the emotions I'm sure he felt. If the music wasn't written by him, I can't make that same link. I'm not saying I still wouldn't love the piece (because I would, very much). I just wouldn't enjoy it as much. Does this make any sense?
------------------
"If I were but of noble birth..." - Rod Corkin
[This message has been edited by Rod (edited 01-08-2002).]
Comment
-
Originally posted by Rod:
Nevertheless B must surely be the most original composer of all. Is was commented by a contemporary critic upon hearing 'Archduke' trio that many composers announce a 'new' work which turns out to be nothing of the sort, but that this was never so with Beethoven.
------------------
'Man know thyself''Man know thyself'
Comment
-
Originally posted by Peter:
Fine as the first period works are, I think your remarks are particularly true when it comes to the middle and late works - each work seems totally individual and unlike any other.
------------------
"If I were but of noble birth..." - Rod Corkin
Comment
-
All composers borrow from themselves and from others. They are inspired by a piece and make use of it again. B certainly "borrowed" from the Choral Fantasy when it came to the Ode to Joy. For another example find a recording of Mozarts K222 written 30 years before with the same theme clear as a bell.
Accidents happen also, try Mozarts Bastiene und Bastienne, a very early opera. You will find the oping chords to the 3rd symphony written about 35 years before "Eroica".
It is however almost certain that B never heard Bastiene und Bastienne. It is unlikely that he ever heard k222. The world was different then, you couldn't tune in the classical station as you drove your carriage to work. Music was often never premiered at all or played once for the occasion it was written for then packed away for decades till someone re-discovers it.
Steve
Comment
-
Originally posted by SR:
All composers borrow from themselves and from others. They are inspired by a piece and make use of it again. B certainly "borrowed" from the Choral Fantasy when it came to the Ode to Joy. For another example find a recording of Mozarts K222 written 30 years before with the same theme clear as a bell.
Accidents happen also, try Mozarts Bastiene und Bastienne, a very early opera. You will find the oping chords to the 3rd symphony written about 35 years before "Eroica".
It is however almost certain that B never heard Bastiene und Bastienne. It is unlikely that he ever heard k222. The world was different then, you couldn't tune in the classical station as you drove your carriage to work. Music was often never premiered at all or played once for the occasion it was written for then packed away for decades till someone re-discovers it.
Steve
------------------
'Man know thyself''Man know thyself'
Comment
Comment