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    Music as Thought: Listening to the Symphony in the Age of Beethoven

    Listening with Imagination: The Revolution in Aesthetics

    HISTORICALLY INFORMED PERFORMANCE PRACTICE has become a commonplace in the concert world in recent decades. Orchestras routinely perform Beethoven’s symphonies on period instruments, and even nonperiod orchestras play in a manner that reflects a heightened sensitivity to performance traditions of the composer’s time. Historically informed listening, on the other hand, has been much slower to develop. It rests, after all, on the consumer rather than the producer and is in any case far more difficult to reconstruct, for the evidence of how people actually listened to specific works of music in any given time and place is scant and by its very nature notoriously subjective. In a celebrated passage in Howards End (1910), the novelist E. M. Forster neatly captures an entire spectrum of modes of listening among six characters in a concert hall, all listening to the same work of music with six decidedly different reactions:

    It will be generally admitted that Beethoven’s Fifth Symphony is the most sublime noise that has ever penetrated into the ear of man. All sorts and conditions are satisfied by it. Whether you are like Mrs. Munt, and tap surreptitiously when the tunes come—of course, not so as to disturb the others—; or like Helen, who can see heroes and shipwrecks in the music’s flood; or like Margaret, who can only see the music; or like Tibby, who is profoundly versed in counterpoint, and holds the full score open on his knee; or like their cousin, Fra¨ulein Mosebach, who remembers all the time that Beethoven is “echt Deutsch”; or like Fraulein Mosebach’s young man, who can remember nothing but Fraulein Mosebach: in any case, the passion of your life becomes more vivid, and you are bound to admit that such a noise is cheap at two shillings.


    For more on this:


    http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/s8292.html
    Ludwig van Beethoven
    Den Sie wenn Sie wollten
    Doch nicht vergessen sollten

    #2
    I recall the scene in the book and in the excellent film - poor Leonard Bast!
    'Man know thyself'

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      #3
      In the novel, the characters are listening to a full symphony orchestra but that was probably too expensive for Merchant Ivory, so they had Simon Callow giving a music appreciation lecture at the piano. This is followed by an interesting orchestral variation on the Fifth Symphony's third movement which is used as background music to the outdoor rain scene.

      E M Forster seemed to have had a Beethoven fixation. (Poor chap - this forum wasn't up an running in his time.) Beethoven crops up in some of his short stories and one of the characters in "A Room with a View" plays the "Waldstein" sonata (in the film version anyway.)

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        #4
        E M Forster seemed to have had a Beethoven fixation. (Poor chap - this forum wasn't up an running in his time.)
        I'd say he had just good taste!

        Beethoven crops up in some of his short stories and one of the characters in "A Room with a View" plays the "Waldstein" sonata (in the film version anyway.)
        Oooh which ones? Yes, didn't Helena Bonham Carter actually play it?
        Ludwig van Beethoven
        Den Sie wenn Sie wollten
        Doch nicht vergessen sollten

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          #5
          Originally posted by AeolianHarp View Post


          Oooh which ones? Yes, didn't Helena Bonham Carter actually play it?
          I'm not sure - it's some years since I saw the film. You could nearly count on it being Helena, however.

          (Oh - you mean did the actress really play on screen? I don't know!)

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            #6
            (Oh - you mean did the actress really play on screen? I don't know!)
            Yes.
            Ludwig van Beethoven
            Den Sie wenn Sie wollten
            Doch nicht vergessen sollten

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              #7
              Originally posted by AeolianHarp View Post
              Yes.
              NO! Lucy Honeychurch (in the book and film) was an accomplished pianist but I don't think that applies to dear Helena!
              'Man know thyself'

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                #8
                Originally posted by Peter View Post
                NO! Lucy Honeychurch (in the book and film) was an accomplished pianist but I don't think that applies to dear Helena!
                No, I meant yes, it was Helena in the film and I vaguely read somewhere that she played a few bars, not that she could play the whole sonata!
                Ludwig van Beethoven
                Den Sie wenn Sie wollten
                Doch nicht vergessen sollten

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