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    Why we love and need the Ninth

    .I'm never tired of it for a single moment. The music remains endlessly satisfying, interesting and moving and has remained so for almost two centuries and to all kinds of people. In other words, this music is not only infinitely durable, but perhaps the closest music has ever come to universality. And that dubious cliché about music being the universal language almost comes true with Beethoven. No composer has ever lived who speaks so directly to so many people, to young and old, educated and ignorant, amateur and professional, sophisticated, naive... and to all these people of all classes, nationalities and racial backgrounds this music speaks a universality of thought, of human brotherhood, freedom and love. In this Ninth Symphony for example, where Beethoven has set Schiller's Ode to Joy in the Finale, the music goes so far beyond the poem, it gives far greater dimension and vital energy and artistic sparks to these quaint, old lines of Schiller: "Alle Menschen werden Brüder" - "All men become brothers", "Seid umschlungen, Millionen" - "Be embraced, millions", "Ahnest du den Schöpfer, Welt?" - "Oh world, do you sense the Creator?". In other words, this music succeeds even with those people for whom organized religion fails, because it conveys a spirit of godhead and sublimity in the freest and least doctrinal way. That was typical of Beethoven. It has purity and directness of communication which never becomes banal. It's accessible without being ordinary. This is the magic that no amount of talk can explain. But perhaps, there was in Beethoven, the man, a child inside that never grew up, that to the end of his life remained a creature of grace and innocence and trust, even in his moments of greatest despair. And that innocent spirit speaks to us of hope and future and immortality. And it's for that reason that we love his music now more than ever before. In this time of world agony and hopelessness and helplessness, we love his music and we need it. As despairing as we may be, we cannot listen to this Ninth Symphony without emerging from it changed, enriched, encouraged. And to the man who could give the world so precious a gift as this, no honour can be too great and no celebration joyful enough. It's almost like celebrating the birthday of music itself.

    Leonard Bernstein


    Perfectly put and perfectly true.


    http://www.last.fm/group/Beethoven%27s+Ninth+Symphony
    Ludwig van Beethoven
    Den Sie wenn Sie wollten
    Doch nicht vergessen sollten

    #2
    Yes I think Bernstein sums up exactly what Beethoven was trying to say to us in this music. What a pity so few in the world truly listen and understand. We have to remember the Nazis appropriated this music for their own ends - how apt it was that Bernstein conducted it at the fall of the Berlin wall to symbolise the overcoming of tyranny.
    'Man know thyself'

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      #3
      What is remarkable is that no matter the amount of trivialization and vulgarization this music has been subjected to, it nonetheless succeeds in inspiring us.

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        #4
        Yes, I like what this guy said:

        Here was an unmatchable opportunity in life to unify spirit, intellect and emotion by melding into sound spheres of creativity that seemed to reach as far as endless space.

        End post:

        http://www.newmusicbox.org/articles/...tupid-persons/

        Beethoven's music is sheer perfection. I have never listened to anything of his and thought, oh it'd be better ended this way, or I wish that bit was different ( eg slower faster, repeated etc), but I have with others.
        Ludwig van Beethoven
        Den Sie wenn Sie wollten
        Doch nicht vergessen sollten

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          #5
          Originally posted by AeolianHarp View Post
          Yes, I like what this guy said:

          Here was an unmatchable opportunity in life to unify spirit, intellect and emotion by melding into sound spheres of creativity that seemed to reach as far as endless space.

          End post:

          http://www.newmusicbox.org/articles/...tupid-persons/

          Beethoven's music is sheer perfection. I have never listened to anything of his and thought, oh it'd be better ended this way, or I wish that bit was different ( eg slower faster, repeated etc), but I have with others.
          Yes it is extraordinary that it seems as though it couldn't be any other way, yet we know Beethoven struggled and rethought things many times over long periods till he arrived at what he wanted - the result is as you say perfection!
          The renaissance artist Fra Angelico was quite different - he never retouched, believing that his original conception was what God wanted - the result again perfection, so we have two great artists arriving by different methods.
          'Man know thyself'

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            #6
            Did he really struggle every time? I cannot quite believe that ...as many of his notes/themes are like pure liquid gold poured upon him from somewhere sublime...
            Ludwig van Beethoven
            Den Sie wenn Sie wollten
            Doch nicht vergessen sollten

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              #7
              Originally posted by Enrique View Post
              What is remarkable is that no matter the amount of trivialization and vulgarization this music has been subjected to, it nonetheless succeeds in inspiring us.
              Exactly! And that is truly a sign of a masterpiece. But there will always be some who fail to recognize one...oh I'm being cruel here now, sorry.

              It's just the amount of reserved comments and reactions I have got all my life from other musicians, classical or jazz, smiling to me like to a child when I say Beethoven is my favourite composer. If it was Mahler or Shostakovitch or Wagner, Ravel, Brahms, Sibelius or Pärt -- any less of an icon so to speak, I know I wouldn't get that treatment. I used to be told Beethoven was just a "teenage crush" of many but that I would grow into liking Rachmaninov and other revolutionaries of the 20th century more once my ears would fully open to the possibilities of music, and that it would make Beethoven sound just rigid and old fashioned. They were wrong. I am so happily in love with him I see no end to it!
              Fühle was dies' Herz empfindent, reiche frei mir deine Hand, und das Band das uns verbindet, sei kein schwaches Rosenband! (J.W.von Goethe)

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                #8
                Do you know what...so called "modern" music sounds "old fashioned" to me- just the same old chords and boom boom beat going on over and over again- on listening to classical, especially our dear Maestro, it all sounds so new, fresh and exciting!
                Ludwig van Beethoven
                Den Sie wenn Sie wollten
                Doch nicht vergessen sollten

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                  #9
                  Hi, I am new here and this is my first post. I love Beethoven's Ninth and have 31 different performances of the Ninth. Of them, my favorite is Ferenc Fricsay 1958 and this I judge largely on the 4th movement's clarity of the vocals and quality of the voices. Yet there are some highly acclaimed Ninth's that I have not yet heard.
                  "Life is too short to spend it wandering in the barren Sahara of musical trash."
                  --Sergei Vasilyevich Rachmaninoff

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Harvey View Post
                    Hi, I am new here and this is my first post. I love Beethoven's Ninth and have 31 different performances of the Ninth. Of them, my favorite is Ferenc Fricsay 1958 and this I judge largely on the 4th movement's clarity of the vocals and quality of the voices. Yet there are some highly acclaimed Ninth's that I have not yet heard.
                    Welcome Harvey - Yes the Ferenc Fricsay is also my favourite - I have it on LP, do you know if it is available on CD?
                    'Man know thyself'

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Peter View Post
                      Welcome Harvey - Yes the Ferenc Fricsay is also my favourite - I have it on LP, do you know if it is available on CD?
                      Yes it is available on CD. I had it on LP but the budget edition which split the third movement over the sides of the LP. The good LP set I believe had two discs. You should be able to find it on Amazon or other online sites for under $10 used. I bought my CD for about $8.50 plus shipping.
                      "Life is too short to spend it wandering in the barren Sahara of musical trash."
                      --Sergei Vasilyevich Rachmaninoff

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Harvey View Post
                        Yes it is available on CD. I had it on LP but the budget edition which split the third movement over the sides of the LP. The good LP set I believe had two discs. You should be able to find it on Amazon or other online sites for under $10 used. I bought my CD for about $8.50 plus shipping.
                        Thank you Harvey for reminding me of this recording - my LP is not in good condition so I haven't played it in years and have always wanted a cd version which I've now ordered form Amazon - THE benchmark 9th!
                        'Man know thyself'

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Harvey View Post
                          Hi, I am new here and this is my first post. I love Beethoven's Ninth and have 31 different performances of the Ninth. Of them, my favorite is Ferenc Fricsay 1958 and this I judge largely on the 4th movement's clarity of the vocals and quality of the voices. Yet there are some highly acclaimed Ninth's that I have not yet heard.
                          Welcome Harvey. It's great you love the Ninth also!
                          Ludwig van Beethoven
                          Den Sie wenn Sie wollten
                          Doch nicht vergessen sollten

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by AeolianHarp View Post
                            Welcome Harvey. It's great you love the Ninth also!
                            Thanks. Yes, the Ninth is wonderful, as are so many of Beethoven's works. Do we already have threads on the major popular works?

                            BTW, I like your signature. On another music site I am Florestan, but that name is taken here so I used my middle name, which is unique these days.
                            "Life is too short to spend it wandering in the barren Sahara of musical trash."
                            --Sergei Vasilyevich Rachmaninoff

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Harvey View Post
                              BTW, I like your signature. On another music site I am Florestan, but that name is taken here so I used my middle name, which is unique these days.
                              Anything to do with a famous James Stewart movie?

                              Welcome to the forum!

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