Baroque music and Beethoven

[Tin]

Hi, everyone...
If any of you have any ideas on Beethoven's life-long interest in Baroque music, or if you have a vast knowledge on his late string quartets, please share your opinions or ideas, since I am going to be investigating and writing an essay on that link between the Baroque music and the late string quartets. Eventually, I am going to post my essay at the end. wouldn't it be nice to have your influences on somebody else's essay? ^^

[Rod]

Originally posted by Tin:
Hi, everyone...
If any of you have any ideas on Beethoven's life-long interest in Baroque music, or if you have a vast knowledge on his late string quartets, please share your opinions or ideas, since I am going to be investigating and writing an essay on that link between the Baroque music and the late string quartets. Eventually, I am going to post my essay at the end. wouldn't it be nice to have your influences on somebody else's essay? ^^

I believe the whole essence of the 'late' Beethoven sound is at least latently the result of a Baroque influence. Will say more later.

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"If I were but of noble birth..." - Rod Corkin

[kfarad]

Hi... well I am not "expert" but the "Song of Thanks chorale" in the string quartet op. 131 (I think) is set in even pre-baroque Phyrigian style...

And Beethoven also called Handel the best composer ever...

Originally posted by Tin:
Hi, everyone...
If any of you have any ideas on Beethoven's life-long interest in Baroque music, or if you have a vast knowledge on his late string quartets, please share your opinions or ideas, since I am going to be investigating and writing an essay on that link between the Baroque music and the late string quartets. Eventually, I am going to post my essay at the end. wouldn't it be nice to have your influences on somebody else's essay? ^^

[Peter]

Originally posted by Tin:
Hi, everyone...
If any of you have any ideas on Beethoven's life-long interest in Baroque music, or if you have a vast knowledge on his late string quartets, please share your opinions or ideas, since I am going to be investigating and writing an essay on that link between the Baroque music and the late string quartets. Eventually, I am going to post my essay at the end. wouldn't it be nice to have your influences on somebody else's essay? ^^

In his late works the Baroque influence is strongest. The use of trills, fugue and contrapuntal textures as well as Handel's development of whole movements out of simple ideas are apparent - even the use of recitative.

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'Man know thyself'

[Rod]

Originally posted by kfarad:
Hi... well I am not "expert" but the "Song of Thanks chorale" in the string quartet op. 131 (I think) is set in even pre-baroque Phyrigian style...

In the first allegro of op130, that vigourous bow scraping theme - pure baroque! Op132 is archaic throughout. Op135 is more classical but is still laced with the angst and profound simplicity that characterises the late period. We have discussed this topic before. If you look in the greatest hits archives you will find some further discussion (in the Graf chain I think).

Originally posted by kfarad:

And Beethoven also called Handel the best composer ever...

And, excluding B himself, he was right and remains right! B also said H was the most able composer. In this respect Handel is the King of all. H could knock out a supreme masterpiece in 3 or 4 weeks. One of his very best and profound pieces - the pastoral ode 'L'Allegro, Il Penseroso et Il Moderato' - was knocked out in only 17 days!!

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"If I were but of noble birth..." - Rod Corkin

[Bob the Composer]

Originally posted by kfarad:
Hi... well I am not "expert" but the "Song of Thanks chorale" in the string quartet op. 131 (I think) is set in even pre-baroque Phyrigian style...

And Beethoven also called Handel the best composer ever...

I believe you are referring to Op. 132. It's the best quartet ever written.

Bob

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Some have said I am ripe for the Madhouse. Does that make me Beethoven? No, but it is interesting.

[~Immortal Beloved~]

Originally posted by kfarad:


And Beethoven also called Handel the best composer ever...

That's true my friend! Beethoven had a collection of Handel's Biography! (I don't know what set).


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freedom for all- Ludwig Van Beethoven

[kfarad]

Originally posted by Bob the Composer:
I believe you are referring to Op. 132. It's the best quartet ever written.

Bob

Nope... I am talking about 132. In A minor. 3rd mvt...

[Rod]

Originally posted by kfarad:
Nope... I am talking about 132. In A minor. 3rd mvt...

Things are getting surreal now!

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"If I were but of noble birth..." - Rod Corkin

[Joy]

Originally posted by kfarad:
Nope... I am talking about 132. In A minor. 3rd mvt...

Huh??

[kfarad]

what's there to be so confuese about?? what's surreal??

now I am confused.

[Peter]

Originally posted by kfarad:
what's there to be so confuese about?? what's surreal??

now I am confused.

Bob said he thought you were referring to Op.132 and you said, no you were referring to Op.132

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'Man know thyself'

[kfarad]

Originally posted by Peter:
Bob said he thought you were referring to Op.132 and you said, no you were referring to Op.132

Argh. OK. I am an idiot. Laugh at me.

[PDG]

Originally posted by Peter:
Bob said he thought you were referring to Op.132 and you said, no you were referring to Op.132

They were both wrong. They meant Op.132.

[This message has been edited by PDG (edited 11-27-2001).]

[This message has been edited by PDG (edited 11-27-2001).]