Which Came First, The Birds or The B??

[EternaLisa]

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml9Q7mIMLiI[/YOUTUBE]

I wonder if by incidence Ludwig had heard this birdsong, decided that since the birds were oftimes fateful to his musical inspiration, he would use this as the first four notes of his Fifth?

Or perhaps the birds heard a Fifth of Beethoven, and decided that they liked it, and mimicked the Maestro...

Only The Creator, The Lord and Louis knows for Absolute certain


xoxox
L

[Michael]

According to Schindler (I think) the opening of the Fifth was inspired by the call of the Yellow Hammer. The trouble is, you can only believe half of what Schindler says.

[Sorrano]

It would be interesting that he could hear the birdsong with the oncoming deafness.

[EternaLisa]

It would be interesting that he could hear the birdsong with the oncoming deafness.

Yes. It's always interesting what one is able to percieve through whichever of the five physical senses (via, of course, the 6 and 7th ones) that works at the given instance wherein one finds oneself within their immediate environment (I think too, that all of us, at one point or another, utilizes the selective hearing capacity when the momental mood strikes us...whether in moments of solitudinal and peaceful silence, or turbulent-ridden ones of compositional chaos...

It's pretty evident as well that most people really have made a federal case about Louis' hearing levels---now, while and even though the hearing loss is gradual, there are moments of sharpness/clarity and decline between the two points of being able to hear and not being able to hear.

It is most likely than not, as well, that B, in certain given moments within whatever environment that Ludwig had been, this variation on a theme of listening/not hearing-hearing/not listening and different levels of altered states of mind that even you and I experience throughout our hours of 'waking consciousness' during the day-decided for himself which was right and which was illusion insofar as his ability to hear to whatever extent that he did/could.


xoxox
E

[EternaLisa]

The trouble is, you can only believe half of what Schindler says.

Yeah-what a shame, eh? (sorry to sound so redundant...)

xooxxxoo
L

[Roehre]

According to Schindler (I think) the opening of the Fifth was inspired by the call of the Yellow Hammer. The trouble is, you can only believe half of what Schindler says.

AFAIK According to Schindler B "quoted" the Yellow Hammer in the Pastoral's
2nd mvt (Scene by the Stream)

[EternaLisa]

Found this a bit ago...

Creation - The Bird's Voice

Masterpiece of Design

Apart from the human voice, birds produce some of the purest and most beautiful sounds known to man. More recently, scientists have been astounded by all they have discovered about the singing abilities of songbirds.

Sophisticated Compositions

A close study of birdsong reveals that birds are extremely skilful musicians. Even though most songs last less than twenty seconds, they often contain many phrases and large numbers of notes. A chaffinch can sing up to 45 notes per second with several hundred notes per song. For example a song of the wood pewee consists of four phrases and contains the musical qualities of melody, rhythm, repetition, variation and unity.

**Human composers must exercise great creativity and planning to produce such effects. Two Voices Humans have one set of vibrating membranes in the larynx. Birds, however, have two sets which are positioned in such a way that each set of membranes can receive air from each of the bird's lungs independently.

Each of these voice boxes also has its own independent nerve connections with the brain so that the bird can produce different sounds from each voice. Some birds can therefore sing two notes at the same time.

Repertoire & Pitch

Songbirds remember many different songs which they regularly repeat. The European blackbird has a repertoire of some 22-48 songs whereas a nightingale may have up to 300! One of the most astounding musical abilities of birds is their control of their song's key.

**Many birds have what is musically known as 'absolute pitch' - the ability to determine exactly what key they sing in without reference to other sounds. If you hear a bird singing a song in G major, you will find it singing the same song in G major on subsequent occasions.

Counter singing & Duets

When two male birds are within hearing range in other territories, they will often take it in turns to sing to each other.

Each bird will typically sing for several seconds and then stop to allow the neighbouring bird to reply. Often two courting birds will sing a duet where one begins and then the other sings the closing part. In some instances two pairs of courting birds will sing what is called a matched duet in a group of four.

The four birds will sing a song composed of four parts over a period of time, each one waiting to sing their own portion of the composition. This requires knowledge of the duet by all four birds. The songs are often very beautiful with great musical structure and involve split-second timing by all participants.

Explaining Birdsong

Evolutionists say that the reason for the existence of bird song was that birds needed to make a noise to assert their territorial rights. However, this does not explain why male birds should enjoy singing with a neighbouring male. Nor can it explain why birdsong is so beautiful, when a simple noise would have done to advertise the presence of a male in a certain area. Another problem for evolutionists is the dawn chorus.

They reject the idea that this was planned for the pleasure of man and to bring glory to God. The evolutionists say that the reason for this crescendo of sound at dawn is that sound travels better and so singing is more effective at this time.

Whilst there may be an element of truth in this, it cannot explain why an individual male bird should want to sing simultaneously with so many others, when it's very difficult at this time for an individual male bird to hear himself, let alone get his message across to other birds!

Evolution also cannot describe how the voice mechanism of birds came into being. In fact, this could not have evolved gradually, because many parts are needed to be in place all at once or the bird will not be able to sing.

**Birdsong is again another powerful evidence for design and a Creator who made the bird as it now is, complete and ready to sing.
http://www.springroad.org.uk/content...ds%20Voice.pdf

**that which we suspect B was well aware of...


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PHX