What are you listening to now?

[Sorrano]

This morning:

Giuliani: Grand Duo Concertant in A, Op. 52

[Roehre]

Today:

Adès:
Traced overhead (1996) (R3:lunchtime concert)

Hough:
Piano Sonata “Broken branches” (2010) (R3 Sunday concert [iPlayer])

Palestrina
Sicut cervus (p.1581) (all R3 TtN June 1 – iPlayer)
Gloriosi principes terrae (p.1581)
Ad te levavi oculos meos (p.1581)
Fundamenta ejus (p.1581)

Anon (Italian c.1400):
Istampitta 'Belicha' (R3 TtN June 1 – iPlayer)

Dufay
Rondeau 'Donnés l'assault' (1460s) (R3 TtN June 1 – iPlayer)

JSBach:
Sonata for violin and harpsichord in b BWV 1014
Sonata for violin and harpsichord in A BWV 1015

[Sorrano]

This morning:

Haydn: String Quartet in D, Op. 103 (incomplete)

[Roehre]

This morning:

Haydn: String Quartet in D, Op. 103 (incomplete)

and as soon as this was known (i.e. Haydn effectively not composing any more String quartets) Beethoven started sketching his opus 18

[Sorrano]

and as soon as this was known (i.e. Haydn effectively not composing any more String quartets) Beethoven started sketching his opus 18

That is interesting. It's hard to imagine that Beethoven would have been intimidated by Haydn (or for that matter, anyone else!)

[Roehre]

That is interesting. It's hard to imagine that Beethoven would have been intimidated by Haydn (or for that matter, anyone else!)

Beethoven did compose string trios (not something much done by Haydn or Mozart), piano concertos (Mozart was dead), piano sonatas (Mozart dead and not a forte of Haydn's), violin and cello sonatas (the fromer not a Haydn speciality, the latter essentially a rather new genre then), variations (as every composer did to earn some relatively easy money), but no string quartets or symphonies until after Haydn was known to have stopped composing altogether after Die Schöpfung and opus 103.
Only piano trios were composed, and bear in mind Haydn's opinion re opus 1/3.....

IMO Beethoven waited until he could express AND present himself as a leading composer, worthy to wear Haydn's cloak. As pianist/improvisor he hardly had really serious competition, but as composer.....

The longer I think about this, and the more I compare the chronology of Beethoven's early published works (i.e. opus 1-17 in this case) with Haydn's late, the more I am convinced that Beethoven patiently waited until his time would come (And it came...).

[Chris]

Haydn composed a good number of string trios. They aren't really known today (I only know of one complete recorded set), and I don't think they were published in his day, but they are good works. I wonder if Beethoven knew them.

[Roehre]

Haydn composed a good number of string trios. They aren't really known today (I only know of one complete recorded set), and I don't think they were published in his day, but they are good works. I wonder if Beethoven knew them.

Nearly all his trios are for either 2 violins with 'cello or baryton trios, both types of works he ceased to compose not later than the mid 1770s.
Doubtful whether B knew any of them.

[Roehre]

Today:

JSBach:
Sonata for violin and harpsichord in E BWV 1016
Sonata for violin and harpsichord in c BWV 1017

Zapf:
Arpeccio (harp + tape) (1989)
Psalmos (flute + harp) (1988)

Eisler:
Vierzehn Arten den Regen zu beschreiben op.70 (1941)
Violin Sonata (1937/’38)
Duo for violin and ‘cello op.7 (1924)

[Sorrano]

This morning:

Giovanni Sammartini: Concerto in E Flat

Giuseppe Sammartini: Descant Recorder Concerto in F

Camille Saint-Saëns: Rhapsodie d'Auvergne

[Roehre]

This morning:

Giovanni Sammartini: Concerto in E Flat

Giuseppe Sammartini: Descant Recorder Concerto in F

Much difference in style, Sorrano?

[Sorrano]

Much difference in style, Sorrano?

I was afraid someone would ask that!

As it was pretty early this morning and that I am not as familiar with the more famous Sammartini I really didn't distinguish much in difference. That would require a bit more attention on my part.

In reference to the Saint-Saens work I did hear what I might consider influence from Beethoven; there were parts that strongly reminded me of the piano orchestral part of the Choral Fantasy.

[Roehre]

Today:

JSBach:
Sonata for violin and harpsichord in f BWV 1018
Sonata for violin and harpsichord in G BWV 1019 and its variant BWV 1019a

Dittrich:
Cello concerto (1974/’75)

[Chris]

I see you are traversing the Bach violin sonatas, Roehre. Who's playing?

[Roehre]

I see you are traversing the Bach violin sonatas, Roehre. Who's playing?

3 series of them:

Dmitry Sitkovesky (Vn) - Robert Hill (Hps) [on Hännsler, 2000]
John Holloway - Davitt Moroney [on Virgin Classics, 1990]
Alice harnoncourt - Herbert Tachezi [on Telefunken, 1976]

Interesting comparisons from relatively early HIPP to HIPP on modern instruments. All three have their pro and con - at the moment I have a slight preference for Sitkovsky.