Beethoven Connection With New Orlean's 1920's Jazz

[home-workerbiz]

A few weeks ago, on BBC Radio 3, I heared a piece of Beethoven I did not know or had ever heared before. All I can say about it is that is was published in the 1820's, towards the end of Beethoven's life, it is an orchestral piece and replicates (pre-dates) 1920's New Orlean's Jazz.

Does anyone have any idea of the piece I listened to?

I've emailed BBC Radio3 and other, so called experts, without the courtesy of a response.

I do hope someone out there can help; It's driving me nuts!!

Thanks

[Roehre]

A few weeks ago, on BBC Radio 3, I heared a piece of Beethoven I did not know or had ever heared before. All I can say about it is that is was published in the 1820's, towards the end of Beethoven's life, it is an orchestral piece and replicates (pre-dates) 1920's New Orlean's Jazz.

Does anyone have any idea of the piece I listened to?

I've emailed BBC Radio3 and other, so called experts, without the courtesy of a response.

I do hope someone out there can help; It's driving me nuts!!

Thanks

Uri Caine made a mostly very jazzy version/recording of the Diabelli-variations (the original dating from 1820 and 1823), in which especially the slower variations at the end were used as "ground" for jazz-like improvisations/ extemporisations.
At first hearing it is straightforwardly shocking. But repeated listening opens up a completely new and IMO very interesting and in itself beautiful sound world.

If it is a "proper" Beethoven orchestral work, it might be his 1822 GratulationsMenuett WoO 3, though I must say that I personally hardly find any New-Orleans Jazz in it.

[Michael]

The last movement of Beethoven's final piano sonata, Opus 111, features a very jazzy variation. I wonder if you heard an orchestrated version of it.
It's used here in a ballet sequence (scroll forward one minute and 20 seconds):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4dwp...layer_embedded

But it's more likely to be one of the orchestrated Diabelli variations described above by Roehre.

[Roehre]

The last movement of Beethoven's final piano sonata, Opus 111, features a very jazzy variation. I wonder if you heard an orchestrated version of it.
It's used here in a ballet sequence (scroll forward one minute and 20 seconds):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4dwp...layer_embedded

I thought of that very jazzy, syncopated variation too, but I don't know of any orchestration (past or present, or à la Caine) and googling for it doesn't give any results whatsoever.
Some people even say that Jazz was invented by Beethoven here....

[home-workerbiz]

Thank You both for your responses. I'll do some investigating of the variations you suggest and let you know what I find...Thanks again!

[home-workerbiz]

Beethoven's 1820 Jazz

I have still not found this piece. Anyone had any joy please?

[Roehre]

I have still not found this piece. Anyone had any joy please?

Try the overture "Die Weihe des Hauses" (The Consecration of the House) op.124, of which the 2nd half can be very jazzy if properly played.

[home-workerbiz]

Connection With New Orleans's 1920's Jazz

Got it! Finally found the Beethoven piece that pre-dates New Orleans Jazz by nearly 100 years. It is the final movement of Beethoven's piano sonata Op.111 which has some almost jazzy syncopation.
I was fortunate to attend a Paul Lewis concert recently when the last three Beethoven sonatas were played. Thanks to Roehre and Michael for your responses

[AeolianHarp]

Got it! Finally found the Beethoven piece that pre-dates New Orleans Jazz by nearly 100 years. It is the final movement of Beethoven's piano sonata Op.111 which has some almost jazzy syncopation.
I was fortunate to attend a Paul Lewis concert recently when the last three Beethoven sonatas were played. Thanks to Roehre and Michael for your responses

I knew it had to be the passages in Opus 111! I was amazed when I first heard that!
Did you see Paul Lewis at the Philharmonic? I go to concerts there each month, but didn't see Paul this time.

[thesunlover]

It should be the 3rd variation of the second movement of Op111. I mentioned it in my essay.

See this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piano_S...28Beethoven%29