Mozart's Jupiter

[Chris]

O_o

That is the weirdest thing ever posted on these forums.

[Michael]

At least we are managing to keep on-topic although I doubt if we are much help to the original poster.

This is the weekend of the annual Hall of Fame poll on Classic FM. Every year they announce the top 300 pieces of classical music as voted by listeners. Oddly enough, Mozart's Jupiter has taken a huge dive this year - down 127 places from last year - to No. 231. Quite a few of his popular hits have fallen down the charts while Beethoven's stock seems to be rising.

The final top ten will be featured this evening around eight or nine (GMT).


http://halloffame2012.classicfm.co.u...age=1#/300-291

[Joy]

Unfortunately, yes. And why should the two of us suffer alone:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ropNrsrckc





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Ha! Ha! Very good. We in the U.S. missed that one in the 70's, darn! But we did have the 'Banana Splits'! Now I'll have that music in my head all day!

[Preston]

At least we are managing to keep on-topic although I doubt if we are much help to the original poster.

This is the weekend of the annual Hall of Fame poll on Classic FM. Every year they announce the top 300 pieces of classical music as voted by listeners. Oddly enough, Mozart's Jupiter has taken a huge dive this year - down 127 places from last year - to No. 231. Quite a few of his popular hits have fallen down the charts while Beethoven's stock seems to be rising.

The final top ten will be featured this evening around eight or nine (GMT).


http://halloffame2012.classicfm.co.u...age=1#/300-291

So Rachmanivov Piano Concerto 2 beats Mozart's Requiem, Beethoven's Missa Solemnis, etc? Odd, it seems?

To all members, lurkers, etc.:
CHECK OUT NUMBER 16!!! IT IS A SURPRISE AND A GOOD ONE TOO, IMO!!!
http://halloffame2012.classicfm.co.u...l/?position=16

[Michael]

I think the Rachmaninov concerto has been in the top three for years and years. We certainly have not had a brief encounter with it.

[Preston]

I think the Rachmaninov concerto has been in the top three for years and years. We certainly have not had a brief encounter with it.

I don't think I have ever heard it - will have to give it a listening.

[Joy]

At least we are managing to keep on-topic although I doubt if we are much help to the original poster.

This is the weekend of the annual Hall of Fame poll on Classic FM. Every year they announce the top 300 pieces of classical music as voted by listeners. Oddly enough, Mozart's Jupiter has taken a huge dive this year - down 127 places from last year - to No. 231. Quite a few of his popular hits have fallen down the charts while Beethoven's stock seems to be rising.

The final top ten will be featured this evening around eight or nine (GMT).


http://halloffame2012.classicfm.co.u...age=1#/300-291

Well, glad to hear that about Beethoven but poor ol' Mozart. Jupiter is one of his best IMHO.

[PDG]

Ha! Ha! Very good. We in the U.S. missed that one in the 70's, darn! But we did have the 'Banana Splits'! Now I'll have that music in my head all day!

Joy, if it had been the Wombles instead of the Beatles 'invading' the US just two months after JFK's assassination, I'm sure Womblemania would have lifted your country's spirits just as surely as Beatlemania did!

[PDG]

I think the Rachmaninov concerto has been in the top three for years and years. We certainly have not had a brief encounter with it.

Pun not gone unnoticed, Michael...

[PDG]

This is the weekend of the annual Hall of Fame poll on Classic FM. Oddly enough, Mozart's Jupiter has taken a huge dive this year - down 127 places from last year - to No. 231. ]

So Jupiter lost velocity and fell out of orbit, huh?

[Michael]

So Jupiter lost velocity and fell out of orbit, huh?

There's still an asteroid named Beethoven up there somewhere. I was going to add a terrible pun about how "Beethoven rocks" but I resisted.

[Sorrano]

There's still an asteroid named Beethoven up there somewhere. I was going to add a terrible pun about how "Beethoven rocks" but I resisted.

I'm sure glad you did!

[Joy]

Joy, if it had been the Wombles instead of the Beatles 'invading' the US just two months after JFK's assassination, I'm sure Womblemania would have lifted your country's spirits just as surely as Beatlemania did!

Well, I was very, very (and did I mention very young) then so it probably would have lifted my spirits!

[Joy]

I'm sure glad you did!

Well, all right then I'll say it Beethoven Rocks!!!

[Frankli]

I'm tired of reading all of the egghead's in ivory tower accolades and want to know what do real people think about this music. Especially the first few bars.

I find it lacking in power as the opening hook is weak.

thx

That's very interesting, PM! Also what you write in comparison to Beethoven.

But have you figured out the next thing already: that Beethoven borrowed a lot from Mozart, but Mozart borrowed nothing from Beethoven?
That's logical, you would answer. Yes, it is, but it also means that if you compare Mozart to Beethoven, you'll have to know and define what actually to compare. And how. Because now it seems as if you compare apples to pears.

What you might also realize: Mozart was one of the great inventors/developers of the classical style. In the classical style it is not the theme itself which is most interesting, but what the composer does with it. That is where he puts his creativity in. So what does Mozart do with "the first few bars"? I urge you to listen again. If you don't understand at all what I mean, then you'll have to, sorry to sound pedantic, learn the language first.

In case you really get interested after relistening this great piece of Mozart, you might want to read a little book: "Mozart: the 'Jupiter' Symphony" by Elaine R. Sisman (Cambridge University Press). She explains in exactly as many words as needed "the grand style and the sublime" behind Mozart 41. Concerning the start of this work she writes about musical rhetorics and the role of commonplaces, for a composer in order to define what is a topic and what isn't - just as a necessary service to the listener.

Since Aristotle's old rules of rhetorics apply to Mozart's instrumental style, reading Aristotle isn't such a bad idea, if you want to open up one of the veils veil between you and Mozart's music. It worked for me. In case you have no time, Ms. Sisman does a good job in explaining the connection.

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