What are you listening to now?

[Roehre]

This morning, the radio presented a couple of fantasies based upon Tosca and Madame Butterfly.

Roehre, how complete was the Schubert Symphony in D? I hadn't realized that there was one. I used to have, on LP, a recording of an orchestral arrangement of the Symphony in E but that is now long gone.

As with Mahler 10 the short score is complete for the expositions and most of the developments of 3 of the 4 mvt, the scherzo is complete and the orchestration of this scherzo is well defined as are other stretches of the other 3 mvts -but not without problems re horns vs trombones, see below.

For the ASMIF/Marriner (Philips) the symphonic fragment D.708a was completed by Newbould to a performable stage, that is without the recapitulations and without a coda.

This world premiere offers a complete work, with obviously the codas composed by Newbould - but the Schubertian codas anyway are short -most of the time fewer bars than fingers on two hands.
The orchestration has obviously been revised by adding more "putty" - IMO very convincingly done.

One discussion is whether to use 3 horns or 3 trombones as base for the brass. Point is, that Schubert did not use trombones in symphonies 1-6, and that this Symphony in D -looking at the tessitura- "asks" as it were for trombones. Newbould accepts this point of view, but nevertheless used horns.
Whatever: this completion sounds thoroughly schubertian.
Looking forward to a CD recording of this version.

"Your" Symphony in E is D.729, and i.a. instrumented by Weingartner, Gülke and Newbould.
the latter's version is i.a. available with ASMIF/Marriner and Scottisch Chamber/Mackarras, the former on a CPO-recording of Weingartner's orchestral works (it's coupled with his violin concerto), and the Gülke has been recorded for Eterna/Berlin Classics.
The differences are interesting, but it needs a couple of listenings to discover them.
D.729 was sketched by Schubert from head to tail, without one bar missing. Many suggestions for orchestration, but the score is -in that respect- only slightly more developed and filled in than D.708a.

[Preston]

been listening to Mozart's piano concertos 20 & 24, conducted by MacKerras and played by Brendel and The Scottish Chamber Orchestra. yes, it is quite a special edition to my collection.

http://www.amazon.com/Mozart-Piano-C...33877&sr=301-1

[Sorrano]

been listening to Mozart's piano concertos 20 & 24, conducted by MacKerras and played by Brendel and The Scottish Chamber Orchestra. yes, it is quite a special edition to my collection.

http://www.amazon.com/Mozart-Piano-C...33877&sr=301-1

The No. 20 is my absolute favorite of any of Mozart's works. That second movement is sublime!

[Sorrano]

Roehre, thanks for the info! Do you know if the symphony in E is available on CD? I am thinking that the version I had was completed by Newbould, but I just do not remember.

[Roehre]

Roehre, thanks for the info! Do you know if the symphony in E is available on CD? I am thinking that the version I had was completed by Newbould, but I just do not remember.

Here they are, sorrano:
Here the weingartner completion and here the Newbould in a very recommendable multi CD set.

From the Schubert/Newbould 7 exists an out-of-print Koch-Schwann CD, but then you have first to see your bank manager, I'm afraid

[Roehre]

The No. 20 is my absolute favorite of any of Mozart's works. That second movement is sublime!

sorrano, do you know Beethoven's cadenzas for this work (WoO 58).
these were included in the DGG Complete Beethoven Editions, in vol.20, as part of a performance of KV466.

[Sorrano]

Here they are, sorrano:
Here the weingartner completion and here the Newbould in a very recommendable multi CD set.

From the Schubert/Newbould 7 exists an out-of-print Koch-Schwann CD, but then you have first to see your bank manager, I'm afraid

Thanks, again! The latter CD is a remaster (I believe) of the LP I had; at least the cover art is the same. I went ahead and ordered the set that you recommended and look forward to this.

[Sorrano]

sorrano, do you know Beethoven's cadenzas for this work (WoO 58).
these were included in the DGG Complete Beethoven Editions, in vol.20, as part of a performance of KV466.

I am not familiar with that but it would bear listening to, indeed!

[Roehre]

Today:

Schubert:
Alfonso and Estrella D.732
Salve Regina in F major D.27
12 Waltzes, 17 landlers and 9 ecossaises for piano D.145 (1815/’21)
Die Einsiedelei D.337
Das Grab is tief und stille D.377
Die Schatten D.50
Sehnsucht D.52
Adagio for piano in C major D.349
Andantino for piano in C major D.348
Junglingswonne for 2 tenors and 2 basses D. 983/1
Adagio in C sharp minor D.600
3 Ecossaises for piano D. 816
Gott der Weltschopfer for 4 voices and piano D.986
Sonata for piano in E major D.154
Sanctus - canon with coda for 3 voices in B flat major D.56
Fantasie in c für Klavier D.2e
Deutscher for piano in G flat major D.722
2 Ecossaisen for piano opus 33 D.783
Variation on a waltz by Diabelli D.718
Allegretto for piano in C minor D.900

[Sorrano]

I take it that the Schubert list there is totally coincidental to our posts on the symphonies?

[Roehre]

I take it that the Schubert list there is totally coincidental to our posts on the symphonies?

Yes it is, as BBC radio 3 has been broadcasting approximately every snippet of Schubert's during the last nine days. These are the little pieces which are either incomplete (=not completed by the composer) or generally speaking hardly meant for a wider public than Schubert's closests friends. An opportunity therefore to listen to these - that chance won't happen again that easily, I'm afraid.

[Chris]

that chance won't happen again that easily, I'm afraid.

Are these works not all available on CD?

[Roehre]

Are these works not all available on CD?

Unfortunately quite a lot aren't, especially the fragments.
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Today:

Schubert:
Gesang der Geister uber den Wassern (D.705)
4 Komische Landler for 2 violins (D.354)
9 Landler for violin (D.370) in D major
Der Hochzeitsbraten (D.930)
16 Landler und 2 Ecossaisen for piano (D.734)
Winterabend (D.242a)
Te solo adoro (D.034)
Dreifach ist der Schritt der Zeit (D.070)
Geistes-Gruss (D.142) [third version]
Lutzows wilde Jagd (D.205)
Der Jungling an der Quelle (D.300)
Unendliche Freude durchwallet das Herz (D.051)
Geistes-Gruss (D.142) [sixth version]
Selig durch die Liebe (D.055)
Trinklied (Funkelnd im Becher) (D.356)
Hier umarmen sich getreue Gatten (D.060)
Lied (Mutter geht durch ihre Kammern) (D.373)
Schmerz verzerret ihr Gesicht (D.065)
Alleluia (D.71a)
Des Madchens Klage (D.389) [3rd setting]
Trinklied (Ihr Freunde und du gold'ner Wein) (D.183)
Das Heimweh (D.456)

Elgar:
The Crown of India: suite op.66
A Voice in the Desert op.77
Polonia op.76
Piano concerto op.posth.90: slow mvt
The Spanish Lady op.posth.89: suite
Civic Fanfare (for Hereford)

Gipps:
Symphony no.2 op.30 (1945)

[Roehre]

Today:

Schubert:
6 Antiphonen zum Palmsonntag op.113 D.696 (1820) (for today, Palmarum)

JSBach:
Cantate “ Himmelskönig, sei willkommen“ BWV 182 (1714) (for today, palmarum)

Meyerbeer:
Psalm 91 - Qui in manu Dei requiescit (R3)

Spohr:
Psalm 23 - Gott ist mein Hirt op. 85/2
Psalm 130 - Aus der Tiefen ruf' ich op. 85/3 (R3)

Arthur Butterworth:
Symphony no.1 op.15 (1956)

Delius:
Paa Vidderne (melodrama, 1888)
On the Mountains (1892)
7 Orchestral Songs from the Norwegian (1890s)

[Michael]

Mostly Bob Dylan.

(Sorry, but like George Washington or our ex Taoiseach - Prime Minister, I cannot tell a lie.)