The Beethoven teaser

[Michael]

Aaaaargh! Come on, Philip, Chris, Sorrano, Roehre, Joy, Meg, Hofrat, ......anyone! Only two to go!
(My apologies to anyone omitted.)
Don't let Peter get away with it!

[Megan]

No nearer I'm afraid yet with these worthy attempts! I'm surprised that no.3 is causing such a problem - it will be obvious when you know the answer. The first one is admittedly more difficult and perhaps a little too vague so I'll give a further clue - for 'Principalled lady' you might also read 'lady of the Principality' which was my first idea, but I thought it too obvious and didn't use it!

Could the Lady be - Countess Erdody ?

[Peter]

Could the Lady be - Countess Erdody ?

No and there are no more clues coming - you've all had far too many already!!

[Chris]

Aaaaargh! Come on, Philip, Chris, Sorrano, Roehre, Joy, Meg, Hofrat, ......anyone! Only two to go!
(My apologies to anyone omitted.)
Don't let Peter get away with it!

Sorry Michael, I've been too busy this week to really give it much thought. I'll make a (poor) guess at No. 3, though:

Is it Symphony No. 4? It was a commission from Count Franz von Oppersdorff, and it was lucky to be salvaged, saved, from the Norse giants on either side, slender Greek maiden that it is!

[Peter]

Sorry Michael, I've been too busy this week to really give it much thought. I'll make a (poor) guess at No. 3, though:

Is it Symphony No. 4? It was a commission from Count Franz von Oppersdorff, and it was lucky to be salvaged, saved, from the Norse giants on either side, slender Greek maiden that it is!

Oh dear!

[Megan]

1) A little gem for this principalled lady.

Beethoven variations on God save the King ?


Another long shot.

[Chris]

Hm. How about the Op. 49 piano sonatas, then? Caspar van Beethoven salvaged them and had them published, against Ludwig's intentions. I don't really see how a commission would work into that, though...

[Peter]

Still off the mark I'm afraid!

[Chris]

Hm...Op. 136, published only in 1837?

[Peter]

Hm...Op. 136, published only in 1837?

A further clue - no.3 isn't a piece of music at all!

[Michael]

I swore a mighty and solemn oath that I wouldn't come back to this thread ........... but .........

Is No 3 the following (pasted):

August von Kloeber created two more portraits of Beethoven after that. One of it was an oil painting, which today is lost. It showed Beethoven together with his nephew out in the nature. A chalk drawing, which was created several years after the pencil drawing and which already idealizes Beethoven's depiction more, had been preserved. (Two more versions of this depiction had exist, but neither had they been preserved.)

In the 1840s, the Berlin lithographers Theodor Neu and Carl Fischer created several lithographs after this chalk drawing - while being supervised by the painter, as is explicitly said in the inscription of some prints. Thanks to the broad distribution of this lithographs, which had been copied by numerous artists in the 19th century, this portrait of Beethoven became especially popular. Kloeber's pencil drawing however, had not attracted a lot of attention until the 20th century.(S.B.)

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[Peter]

A noble effort Michael, but I'm afraid not right!

[Preston]

No. 1 - Opus 45...?

[Peter]

Oh the agony of it! I shall put you all out of your misery later today (earlier than originally planned) only to inflict another lot on you tomorrow!

[Quijote]

No. 1 : WoO 51, dedicated to Eleonore von Breuning?