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There is no such thing as a "complete" edition. I have three of them and they all have strange omissions. The lavish (and expensive) 1997 DGG set leaves out anything that even smells doubtful but it does contain some items that other editions don't: namely the "Amenda" version of Opus 18 No. 1 and the fragment of Beethoven's first attempt at an opera, "Vestas Fueur" (I haven't checked spelling). It however does not contain Opus 4, the arrangement for string quintet of the Octet Op. 103. I can't understand why because the quintet version radically expands on the Octet material - it's practically a re-composition.
The present Brilliant set contains both versions of this last but leaves out the other two items mentioned above. It also omits a very short march (WoO2b) and a couple of items from WoO 96 (Incidental music to "Leonore Prohaska - nothing to do with Fidelio). It does include the three clarinet and bassoon duos which the DGG turned up its nose at. That's all I can remember at the moment.
The Brilliant is quite a respectable "complete" edition, all in all. The "Leonore" recording is, I think, superior to John Eliot Gardiner's DGG version which does not use any dialogue, opting for a strange narrative reading. And the partsongs (WoO 99/Hess 208) are performed much better in the Brilliant set.
Oh, and none of them contain Beethoven's own piano arrangement of the "Prometheus" ballet, which I acquired only last week!
.Last edited by Michael; 05-06-2011, 12:15 AM.
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There are many, many Hess, Biamonti, and uncatalogued pieces missing from all of the sets as well. Some of them have never even been recorded. Of course, nothing of much significance. But still, there are some gems that can be missed when you start disqualifying pieces like that. For example, I really like WoO 2b, and I think its absence is significant, despite its short length. Perhaps they did not include it because it has been discovered to be part of Leonore...but they didn't know that when Blomstedt made his recording, and so it is not on there.
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Originally posted by Sorrano View PostI absolutely can back you up on that. I did make the order while the price was at $29 and have it in email. There is a price guarantee on that, so we'll see what happens. The price guarantee is in the email, so unless they withdraw the order completely I should get this at the price. The snippet below is from my email.
Delivery estimate: June 3, 2011 - June 7, 2011
1 "Complete Beethoven Edition"
Beethoven; Audio CD; $29.46
Thanks, again, Michael, for finding this. Apparently someone really screwed up at Amazon, but hopefully, they will go through with the order. Otherwise, they have a big problem with their guarantee!Cocchini
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Originally posted by Cocchini View PostSee if Amazon has withdrawn funds from your bank account. If yes, then the sale is completed! : 7 )
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Great! Enjoy it.
(I'll send you the number of my offshore account and you can wire whatever amount you see fit.)
(If you check the original link at the top of this page, you will see that it is now selling at 112 dollars - so somebody did goof! )
.Last edited by Michael; 05-31-2011, 04:10 PM.
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Originally posted by Michael View PostThere is no such thing as a "complete" edition. I have three of them and they all have strange omissions. The lavish (and expensive) 1997 DGG set leaves out anything that even smells doubtful but it does contain some items that other editions don't: namely the "Amenda" version of Opus 18 No. 1 and the fragment of Beethoven's first attempt at an opera, "Vestas Fueur" (I haven't checked spelling).
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Originally posted by PDG View PostActually, Michael, your beloved 'Blue Box' does contain both the original Op.18 mvt 1 (Hess 32), and the Vestas Feuer fragment. But it glaringly lacks Op.61a (piano version of the Violin Concerto), and has only a wind arrangement of Opus 4 as well as a computer-aided four-hand piano fugue, Op.134 - I don't know why the pianist couldn't have played both parts, but separately?
With all its faults, the Blue Box did make an effort to include nearly all the obscure stuff - including small piano pieces that don't even have a cataogue number.
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I'd really like for some of these obscure pieces to come out on a single disc so those of us interested in them could buy them that way without purchasing an entire complete edition. I suppose in the near future, when everything moves to digital distribution, this will no longer be an issue, and neither will discs going out of print. That will be great, although the excitement of tracking down a new copy of some long out of print release is worth something too!
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http://www.lvbeethoven.com/Oeuvres/ListBiamonti01.html
In attempting to keep within the lines of this discussion and not create a new thread on the subject, does anyone know if the above list has been superseded or updated?
Not trying to be lazy myself (I just don't have the energy/time I'd love to devote to researching stuff like this-but at the same time I know that there are others who do and can), so, mind if I pick your brains?
thanks!
E"It was not the fortuitous meeting of the chordal atoms that made the world; if order and beauty are reflected in the constitution of the universe, then there is a God."
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Originally posted by Chris View PostSo at the moment, there is no published catalog containing all the works of Beethoven.
Am wondering who may be all over it to follow up (if anyone) ?
I raise the question because I want it confirmed who is the all-time busiest composer (though we do have our suspicions based on already existing evidence, don't we....)
E"It was not the fortuitous meeting of the chordal atoms that made the world; if order and beauty are reflected in the constitution of the universe, then there is a God."
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