Sexy Beethoven 5th - Good or Bad?

[Ed C]

So - is Rock Beethoven better than no Beethoven? I think so.

Heck - I'd say Tango Beethoven, Salsa Beethoven, Jazz Beethoven, Techno Beethoven and even possibly Hip Hop Beethoven is better than no Beethoven.

What's fascinating to me as I explore the feedback threads of many of these kinds of alternate-style Beethoven arrangements is how much in awe these kids are of our man B.

I don't know how many times I've seen someone write "Beethoven is my hero - u dig?" or "Beethoven was the OG" (original gangsta)...
However I almost positive I've never heard any young person talk that way about Brahms

[Ed C]

Parents ...can also play classical music in the house early on, play instruments themselves, talk about good music, and encourage interest in it in their children instead of in other things - just make it a positive experience.

Chris I think we may have missed the boat on that one...parents today (child-rearing parents, meaning age 20-35) like Whitesnake, Bon Jovi and Ted Nugent, not the Heigerdankgesang...

Now how do we get the parents to....

[Cocchini]

Right, Chris.
But which would you rather be marooned on a Desert Island with?
The Infinity Electric String Quartet or the Talich?

The Talich, every time!!

[Michael]

The Talich, every time!!

And Beethoven Radio!

[Sorrano]

Victor who? Dudley who? They're both dead aren't they? You're showing your age, man.

Good humor, like good music, is timeless. Beethoven, Bach, and Brahms are dead, too.

[Sorrano]

Not when you're 18, full of hormones and don't like classical music. The Dude is bored with this discussion now.

There are a lot of youth, 18 years old, etc. that are immersed in not only classical music but in all others, as well. They are good performers and composers and take their art rather seriously.

But then, on the other hand you do have P.D.Q. Bach, who (unfortunately?) is still around.

[Megan]

[QUOTE=Ed C;50725]Chris I think we may have missed the boat on that one...parents today (child-rearing parents, meaning age 20-35) like Whitesnake, Bon Jovi and Ted Nugent, not the Heigerdankgesang...

[I]Now how do we get the parents to....



I think the notion that children can come to classical music via pop music is basically flawed. Many youngsters into interested in pop music stay at that grade. I have never seen any evidence that they take it one step further into the classical repertoire. Sometimes you get young people who have a kind of parallel interst in both, but that is only because they have learnt to appreciate classical music through either listening or playing it, but can quite like pop as well. But even these, drop the pop side of things in their 20's or earlier, or as late as in their 30's , because they realize the two don't really mix, and to put it crudely as they get older, they don't want to listen to c***.
It is much to be regretted that the classical industry has chosen to s e x up or s e x down its products. Is there any evidence this is drawing in people who uncommitted who think , well I don't really like Beethoven, but if I see a group of young hussies half naked, it might be persuaded. Would people like this even appreciate what classical music has to say, how could they, when the only hook into it via the carnal, and we are dealing with the spiritual.

If the parents are listening to eminem, whatever, then it is that much harden for a child to get into classical music , difficult I guess but not impossible.
Just the other day travelling on the bus, a male in his 50's , sitting next to me , was looking at a dvd he obviously newly purchased, I caught the name of it and when I got home I looked it up on the internet, and guess what it was, Some Death metal group called, Amon Amarth. Unwholesome Satanic garbage, as far as I'm concerned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jPBv...layer_embedded

http://www.amonamarth.com/

This kind of music in an abuse.

[Ed C]

Personally, these are what helped me the most:

The wide variety of easily accessible free classical music on the web
Leonard Bernstein's Young People's Concerts (again, free on the web)
DG Beethoven Complete Edition ($$ and understanding spouse helps here)

Things that did not have any major impact:
Parental influence
School
Friends/Musical Collaborators

Heck, the last 2 probably worked against me liking CM!

I would be curious about answers to these questions if posed to the other participants here....what helped you "see the light"?

4/7 The 5th Symphony (Color Analysis)

[Peter]

[QUOTE=Megan;50736]

Chris I think we may have missed the boat on that one...parents today (child-rearing parents, meaning age 20-35) like Whitesnake, Bon Jovi and Ted Nugent, not the Heigerdankgesang...

[I]Now how do we get the parents to....



I think the notion that children can come to classical music via pop music is basically flawed. Many youngsters into interested in pop music stay at that grade. I have never seen any evidence that they take it one step further into the classical repertoire. Sometimes you get young people who have a kind of parallel interst in both, but that is only because they have learnt to appreciate classical music through either listening or playing it, but can quite like pop as well. But even these, drop the pop side of things in their 20's or earlier, or as late as in their 30's , because they realize the two don't really mix, and to put it crudely as they get older, they don't want to listen to c***.
It is much to be regretted that the classical industry has chosen to s e x up or s e x down its products. Is there any evidence this is drawing in people who uncommitted who think , well I don't really like Beethoven, but if I see a group of young hussies half naked, it might be persuaded. Would people like this even appreciate what classical music has to say, how could they, when the only hook into it via the carnal, and we are dealing with the spiritual.

If the parents are listening to eminem, whatever, then it is that much harden for a child to get into classical music , difficult I guess but not impossible.
Just the other day travelling on the bus, a male in his 50's , sitting next to me , was looking at a dvd he obviously newly purchased, I caught the name of it and when I got home I looked it up on the internet, and guess what it was, Some Death metal group called, Amon Amarth. Unwholesome Satanic garbage, as far as I'm concerned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jPBv...layer_embedded

http://www.amonamarth.com/


This kind of music in an abuse.

Absolutely agree Megan, however it wouldn't be quite so bad if the 'half-naked hussies' were actually good musicians! Do we really have to have these mediocrities posing as classical musicians all to further our ghastly greedy commercialism? Regarding the parents, I thought teenagers were supposed to rebel so if Dad is hooked on Black metal it might be an idea to blast out the 9th symphony!

[Quijote]

I don't know what to think, really. I suppose we mustn't forget it's intended as "light entertainment" for the people dining as shown in this clip. It strikes me as the sort of thing companies do, you know, "commercial hospitality" during their sales seminars or something.
In other words, it's not intended as music to be listened to (a strange concept), it's just a show. If Beethoven were there to witness it, there would be serious carnage. I would intervene of course to protect the string players, but would join in with Ludwig as he tore off the heads of the diners.

[Peter]

I don't know what to think, really. I suppose we mustn't forget it's intended as "light entertainment" for the people dining as shown in this clip. It strikes me as the sort of thing companies do, you know, "commercial hospitality" during their sales seminars or something.
In other words, it's not intended as music to be listened to (a strange concept), it's just a show. If Beethoven were there to witness it, there would be serious carnage. I would intervene of course to protect the string players, but would join in with Ludwig as he tore off the heads of the diners.

I think you're right that we shouldn't take it quite so seriously (in a bad mood yesterday!), but the idea put forward that it will attract younger people to classical music is I think a little optimistic.

[Quijote]

Sorry, I wanted to say "corporate hospitality" in my posting just above. By the way, I used to do exactly this sort of thing (a musician has to eat, you know!). When I left Uni, one of the jobs I had was as the 'cellist in two ensembles. One was a string quartet and we did exactly that "corporate" stuff : providing the sonic backdrop to some fancy product launch or other, you know, a bit of "light classical" whilst the executives were chatting, doing business deals, sipping champagne and eating their fancy canapés. Still, it was very good money, and we were offered the same drinks and food, too.
My at that time second job (amongst many other hack 'cellist and teaching jobs) was in a HIP ensemble, contracted by the Tourist Board to provide the sonic backdrop to their "themed" historical dinner soirées. In this particular case, I got to wear some pretty flashy HIP clothes (dressed like an 18th century court musician). My baroque 'cello (a modern copy, not an original) was a joy to play, and was loaned to me by some rich patroness (I will sue any former colleagues reading this who claim[ed) it was in return for certain "favours"). Also very good money. And fun.

[Quijote]

So, a lively thread posted by EdC, with some interesting "issues" raised. The forum seems quiet today. Nicht war?

[Megan]

So, a lively thread posted by EdC, with some interesting "issues" raised. The forum seems quiet today. Nicht war?

The quiet before the storm, as they say.
Might as well brew a cup of tea and wait to see what the wind blows in.
By the way, this is a terrible distraction having my pc right next to where I practice my violin lessons.
I guess I just like some intellectual stimulation.

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[Quijote]

The quiet before the storm, as they say.
Might as well brew a cup of tea and wait to see what the wind blows in.
By the way, this is a terrible distraction having my pc right next to where I practice my violin lessons.
I guess I just like some intellectual stimulation.

You know, I have always liked stormy weather (not rain, the wind, and I don't mean methane gas), but one must also have moments of calm, Megan.
What are you practicing, by the way? My youngest daughter (she's 6) is practicing pieces from Waggon Wheels (really easy stuff in 1st position, with piano accompaniment provided by her errant father). I have to say, it's a battle to get her to open her violin case, but when she finally does so, it's OK.
So, what piece are you working on? a Texan Jig, perhaps?