Beethoven, Symphony Number Eight. Somebody described it once as "Beethoven's most feeble symphony". The composer himself is on record as saying that it was much better than his Seventh, but I think he was just p....d off with the lack of response.
That's a lot of quartet to listen to, and an enormous amount of concentration. I admire your "intellectual staying power", I'm sure.
I have a much more modest contribution : Bach chorale, Es ist genug. If I judge my audience correctly (I hope not fatally), you will notice certain 'extraordinary anticipation[s] of Delius'. Would you agree?
Last edited by Quijote; 01-31-2010, 10:32 PM.
Reason: The quote is from William Lovelock. Who he? Go find out.
That's a lot of quartet to listen to, and an enormous amount of concentration. I admire your "intellectual staying power", I'm sure.
I have a much more modest contribution : Bach chorale, Es ist genug. If I judge my audience correctly (I hope not fatally), you will notice certain 'extraordinary anticipation[s] of Delius'. Would you agree?
Indeed and I hadn't intended to - actually they are both on the same cd from the Beethoven complete masterworks and I listened only to Op.131 - then later in the day I was listening to BBC Radio 3 and they were playing Op.135!
I can't think of the Bach chorale off hand but it always strikes me as odd the way we say so and so anticipates a future composer, isn't it really that the future composer was influenced by the earlier? For example you get it with the 2nd movement of Beethoven's Op.90 which is often described as his most Schubertian piece which is obviously utter nonsense!
Indeed and I hadn't intended to - actually they are both on the same cd from the Beethoven complete masterworks and I listened only to Op.131 - then later in the day I was listening to BBC Radio 3 and they were playing Op.135!
I can't think of the Bach chorale off hand but it always strikes me as odd the way we say so and so anticipates a future composer, isn't it really that the future composer was influenced by the earlier? For example you get it with the 2nd movement of Beethoven's Op.90 which is often described as his most Schubertian piece which is obviously utter nonsense!
Now then, you're not telling me you were 'force-fed' (aurally-speaking), are you? Nah! Still, personally I really couldn't take listening to two such quartets in one sitting, still less play them.
It's an interesting point you make how listening habits evolve. Food for thought...
As to the Bach chorale, I have to agree with you (get off the floor, will you?). Though its harmonies are really quite something else, there is little to be gained by such comparisons to Delius or any other later composer. Lovelock himself was a composer, and even taught in Sydney during the 70s. Perhaps he met Bonnie 1827? I think we should be told.
No, Phillip, I didn't meet the composer in question - a minor musical figure, if you'll pardon the pun!! Yes, I'm from Sunny Sydney but don't hold that against me.
No, Phillip, I didn't meet the composer in question - a minor musical figure, if you'll pardon the pun!! Yes, I'm from Sunny Sydney but don't hold that against me.
Clyde's mate
Yes, a minor musical figure, but a master of harmony, and whose treatises I still use today (with French students, would you believe?).
You cannot be blamed for Sunny Sydney. You are indeed Clyde's mate. May I call you Sheila? Please call me Bruce.
PS : Do forgive me.
PPS : I think you and I are going to get on like a house on fire, Clyde's mate.
Last edited by Quijote; 02-01-2010, 09:46 PM.
Reason: Strewth.
Bonnie-Sheila-Clyde's Mate-Strewth :
Please, it's Philip, not Phillip. What's an extra 'l' between friends? Not a lot I suppose, but as a mad former 'cellist, the extra 'l' is a little too much like an over-wide vibrato, which is to say, covers a multitude of errors.
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