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how would Beethoven compose today?
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Originally posted by Preston View PostI am not saying that only the master takes one to the divine. I see what you are saying about mastery, but when I look at complete mastery of music it could only be achieved through spirituality, otherwise it would not be mastered, to me. If there was someone who understood music to a complete point of mastery but was not spiritual, at first I would find it impossible, then I would believe that this person is surely not touched with the divine. Beethoven did pray and quite often, according to what I have read, particularly in front of Karl, I think. He would kneel down- stone deaf, with his ears ringing uncontrollably, and filled with music- and pray, because he still believed- which is hard for a lot of people, especially who have seen the complete bitterness of life, yet most of them, mad or not, continue to believe. I find this utterly sad and touching. Either way, I do not wish to talk about spirituality or religion really anymore, seriously. It is a complex and touchy subject for me.
I do not understand. You talk as if creating an accurate and entire perfectly evolving world or universe through programming and CGI, is almost simple?
I imagine it to be almost impossible, . Do you not think that in the say, Star Wars galaxy, that the programming they had would blow our minds? I do. We cannot even create completely accurate AI, such as C-3PO or R2, yet. This is what I meant by limited.
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Personally, I don't think we will ever develop true AI.- I hope, or I could not live. - written by H.G. Wells
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Originally posted by Preston View PostI do not understand what you mean by true AI? Do you mean AI at its most complete and perfect stage? If so, it is probably best that we do not create it, I feel that this could end in our demise.
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Originally posted by Chris View PostI mean a virtual person, essentially. I don't think it is possible.
I think that true AI, would be the focus of creating something that would seem like it could think, entirely, but could not even feel what it is "thinking", perhaps I am wrong. The problem with what I call true AI, is that it would have some type of an understanding of perhaps everything, which could lead to a miscalculation, depending on how it was programmed- if it was programmed to think freely, then I feel it could easily turn against humans or other species with true thought, based on its ability to "think", which could be very problematic, if you understand what I mean.
The person that used to post as George Lucas on SS, has stopped posting since March 13, although when he did, people would often ask "what would the Star Wars galaxy be like today", and he would basically say that it would be over run by supreme technology that wiped out every sentient being!!!- I hope, or I could not live. - written by H.G. Wells
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Originally posted by Preston View PostWhy could it have not been written today, if Beethoven was immediately transported into the future before he was about to write it?'Man know thyself'
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Originally posted by Preston View PostPerhaps I misunderstand you, but AI is artificial intelligence, not a living soul, with consciousness and understandings. If you are saying that it would be impossible to create a living thing through programming, then I completely agree. Although, I do not know all of the mysteries and elements of programming. I absolutely could not see a soul being created through computer technology?
I think that true AI, would be the focus of creating something that would seem like it could think, entirely, but could not even feel what it is "thinking", perhaps I am wrong. The problem with what I call true AI, is that it would have some type of an understanding of perhaps everything, which could lead to a miscalculation, depending on how it was programmed- if it was programmed to think freely, then I feel it could easily turn against humans or other species with true thought, based on its ability to "think", which could be very problematic, if you understand what I mean.
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Originally posted by Chris View PostYes, that's what I mean.
Well, presumably we'd hardcode an "off" switch into it!Last edited by Chaszz; 06-10-2009, 01:22 AM.See my paintings and sculptures at Saatchiart.com. In the search box, choose Artist and enter Charles Zigmund.
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Originally posted by Chaszz View PostMuch thoughful science fiction has been devoted to the concept of the rebellious, hostile AI. Long before HAL in "2001," there were the Berserkers of Fred Saberhagen, a series of books and stories about a renegade race of self-replicating machines which considered humans evil and hunted them down. Dan Simmons, in his great Endymion quartet of novels, invented The Core, an electronic network that hid in the interstellar communications pathways and sought to enslave mankind. Isaac Asimov was the only major SF author to posit benevolent robots. He invented three laws which would be programmed into every robot to keep it from harming humans, and wrote a vast body of wonderful fiction about humanity's development alongside that of robots, punctuated by conflicts among the three laws.
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