Rare Beethoven Op.45
The 2nd of these three Marches for piano duo (4 hands, 1 piano) is now available on the Rare Beethoven page :
www.kingsbarn.freeserve.co.uk/selected.html
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'Man know thyself'
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The 2nd of these three Marches for piano duo (4 hands, 1 piano) is now available on the Rare Beethoven page :
www.kingsbarn.freeserve.co.uk/selected.html
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What do you think of those pedal effects? The effect in the trio is fantastic, almost electronic sounding!Originally posted by Peter:
The 2nd of these three Marches for piano duo (4 hands, 1 piano) is now available on the Rare Beethoven page :
www.kingsbarn.freeserve.co.uk/selected.html
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I was going to ask, how is it done? And is that a Bass Drum and Triangle I hear in the outer sections, or a foot stomp and triangle? All in all, that was a VERY interesting piece.Originally posted by Rod:
What do you think of those pedal effects? The effect in the trio is fantastic, almost electronic sounding!
Bob
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I am not a number, I am a free man!Some have said I am ripe for the Madhouse. Does that make me Beethoven? No, but it is interesting.Comment
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All the effects are operated by foot pedals - the drum etc are inside the piano casing. How the effect in the trio is done I'm not sure, something perhaps was inserted between the hammers and the strings. There was a taste for these effects in certain quarters of Vienna (the piano in the recording has about 7 pedals!). B never asked for these effects for his own instruments, just the moderator and keyboard shift.Originally posted by Bob the Composer:
I was going to ask, how is it done? And is that a Bass Drum and Triangle I hear in the outer sections, or a foot stomp and triangle? All in all, that was a VERY interesting piece.
Bob
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"If I were but of noble birth..." - Rod CorkinComment
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I'm still waiting for your assessment Peter! Perhaps this music is not to your taste? Can't critisise others when the moderator himself offers no comment!Originally posted by Peter:
The 2nd of these three Marches for piano duo (4 hands, 1 piano) is now available on the Rare Beethoven page :
www.kingsbarn.freeserve.co.uk/selected.html
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"If I were but of noble birth..." - Rod CorkinComment
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Patience dear Rod! I've only just found the time to download the March. It is an interesting piece - but not one of my favourites! The effects are quite amazing, though I'm pleased B didn't incorporate them into any of his sonatas! It's puzzling that he didn't write more piano duet music , as Mozart and Schubert both produced some very fine duets - primarily for teaching purposes.
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'Man know thyself''Man know thyself'Comment
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Everything comes to he who waits!Originally posted by Peter:
Patience dear Rod! I've only just found the time to download the March. It is an interesting piece - but not one of my favourites! The effects are quite amazing, though I'm pleased B didn't incorporate them into any of his sonatas! It's puzzling that he didn't write more piano duet music , as Mozart and Schubert both produced some very fine duets - primarily for teaching purposes.
Well a march is a march! Such marches were the 'bee's knees' in those days, a sign of the militaristic times I suppose, something that doesn't seem relevant today. However it was these marches that finally convinced me that B's piano music was not designed for the modern piano. I heard a 'modern' recording of one of them on the radio years ago and frankly the combination of four hands' worth of thick toned notes was way too much. The effect was just a colossal noise during the more vigorous passages. Then I could say even the march for two hands in op101 sound more effective on the fp also - you can 'go for it' without the effect sounding over the top, which it can often sound on the pf to my ears. I am not at all surprised that there are not many conventional recordings of B's music for 4 hands.
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"If I were but of noble birth..." - Rod CorkinComment
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The Marches were of their time and Schubert also provided us with his March Militaires also for four hands - I've only ever heard them on modern pianos, so I don't know whether or not the originals inluded some of the percussion effects found in B's. Presumably the other 2 marches in the Op.45 set include these percussion effects as well?Originally posted by Rod:
Everything comes to he who waits!
Well a march is a march! Such marches were the 'bee's knees' in those days, a sign of the militaristic times I suppose, something that doesn't seem relevant today.
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'Man know thyself''Man know thyself'Comment
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My source says only No.2 uses these effects.Originally posted by Peter:
Presumably the other 2 marches in the Op.45 set include these percussion effects as well?
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"If I were but of noble birth..." - Rod CorkinComment
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