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    On music: Beethoven's monster still looms so large
    Last Updated: 12:01am BST 23/08/2007

    Ivan Hewet celebrates the enduring power of Beethoven's Ninth Symphony

    This year the Proms has something unprecedented; Beethoven's Ninth Symphony is being played twice. Nicholas Kenyon's rationale for this bountiful gesture is that last year's Prom performance was cancelled because of a fire, and he wanted to make it up to the audience.

    It's a sweet, almost medieval idea. It suggests Proms audiences have been wandering about ever since in a state of spiritual vacuum, and only a double glimpse of the holy relic can restore them. Or perhaps the Proms itself in some odd way needs to be reimbursed for its loss.

    The Ninth has been played complete in almost every season since 1929, and is as immovable a fixture as the Last Night. But no excuse is needed for playing a piece that always exceeds one's grasp, no matter how many times one's heard it.

    Nothing can compare with the Ninth's craggy singularity, its heroic aspiration, its almost monstrous grandeur. No piece of music better illustrates Walter Benjamin's dictum that the greatest works of art destroy an old genre yet at the same time create a new one.

    What the Ninth destroyed was the classical idea of a symphony as something purely musical. The battle to put music on the level of the other fine arts had been won only because the classical composers - Mozart and Haydn above all - showed that it was a pure, self-contained world of sounding forms. But Beethoven blew that hard-won victory apart, by showing that to rise to its true grandeur, music needs take on the Word.

    That, according to Wagner, is the unspoken message of the Ninth's stupendous choral finale, which sets Schiller's great Ode to Joy. But Wagner had an axe to grind: he wanted to prove music would find its true destiny by joining drama, and he needed to claim a noble forebear.

    Wagner was the first of many who bagged the Ninth for their own ideological ends. The piece has been called in support of almost any cause you care to name.

    It can be regarded as the quintessential musical statement of Enlightenment principles ("all men shall be brothers," reads Schiller's text). Others have found a call to revolution in that stirring finale, an idea that may have been in Schiller's mind - an early draft of the ode contained the line "Princes shall be beggars".

    The Ninth appeals equally to left and right. For the Nazi Arthur Sanderberg, the symphony made its composer the spiritual führer of the German people. Anatoli Lunacharsky, cultural commissar of the fledging Soviet Union, said the work proved Beethoven was the composer "whose world vision co-incides with that of the Proletariat".

    Being so ideologically malleable, the Ninth has been co-opted for any scenario where a feeling of aspiration and joy is called for.

    In Japan, the piece has become a New Year's day ritual, performed by choirs across the country. It's been played at Olympic Games opening ceremonies, and for European Cup football matches.

    When the Berlin Wall came down, Bernstein conducted a celebratory performance of the Ninth, in which every appearance of the word "joy" was changed to "freedom". The EU has adopted it as its anthem, though with the marvellous words removed - an act which speaks volumes about that institution.

    All of this leaves unanswered the question: is the symphony actually a great one? Not everyone has thought so. Stravinsky found the first movement pedestrian, and criticised the tune of the finale on the grounds that it's too four-square to be developed - so Beethoven was reduced to "spreading it out like a military parade".

    This must be one of the most wrong-headed remarks ever passed by one great composer on another. The tune is a stroke of genius, starting off sturdily four-square but raising its eyes to heaven with that off-beat accent in the last phrase. And it's the necessary fulcrum for Beethoven's Shakespearian way of uniting high and low.

    It's a drinking song that can transform itself at one moment into a learned fugue, and the next into a Turkish march. In between come visionary moments, when the music opens a door on to a hereafter that can't quite be defined. It could be Christian heaven, a pantheistic exuberance, or the earthly paradise of universal brotherhood. The music's joy embraces them all.

    Beethoven's Ninth Symphony will be performed by the Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra and chorus, conducted by Mariss Jansons next Thurs. Tickets: 020 7589 8212. Information: bbc.co.uk/proms

    (That is Thursday 30th July)
    Last edited by Michael; 08-23-2007, 03:10 PM.

    #2
    I think you can have too much of a good thing.

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      #3
      Originally posted by melvyn View Post
      I think you can have too much of a good thing.
      Rice pudding maybe. But Beethoven's Ninth? Blasphemy!

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        #4
        A related question: the article makes reference to Schiller's "great Ode to Joy."

        Query: Would the Ode to Joy be remembered at all today if Beethoven had not set it to music? There seems to be no reference to it any more OTHER than as part of the Ninth. Or is it just that the Ninth was taken over the glory that would be Schiller's if the poem could be thought of as an independent entity?

        My thought is that it would be forgotten along with the rest of Schiller's verse, but I'm open to other impressions.

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          #5
          Originally posted by gardibolt View Post
          A related question: the article makes reference to Schiller's "great Ode to Joy."

          Query: Would the Ode to Joy be remembered at all today if Beethoven had not set it to music? There seems to be no reference to it any more OTHER than as part of the Ninth. Or is it just that the Ninth was taken over the glory that would be Schiller's if the poem could be thought of as an independent entity?

          My thought is that it would be forgotten along with the rest of Schiller's verse, but I'm open to other impressions.
          Well it certainly wouldn't be as well known and probably Tchaikovsky wouldn't have set it as a cantata (winning a silver medal at the Conservatory). However Schiller stands on his own merits in a way that say Da Ponte would not.
          'Man know thyself'

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            #6
            This question got me to thinking about just what Schiller's reputation is at this point. I took down from the top shelf my Modern Library Twenty German Poets, published in 1962, just to see what Walter Kaufmann, the editor, had to say about Schiller in the early '60s.

            According to Kaufmann, in Beethoven's day & throughout the rest of the century, Schiller was ranked with Goethe. German schoolboys used to memorize Schiller. But in more recent times, he fell in estimation, & his critics (among them Nietzsche & Rilke) considered him somewhat of an old fuddy-duddy prone to moral preaching, stolid decency & "nobility" -- ironically probably the same qualities Beethoven loved in him.

            He wrote some plays, too, including one called "Don Carlos" in 1787. I'm not interested enough to search the Web, but I wonder whether that's the work Verdi adapted for his opera.

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              #7
              MISSA PLEASE...

              The only part of the 9th (with due apologies to all who just cannot live minus the ode) that has any real depth is the very first movement. It is a work of art that can stand entirely by itself, or even better, have been the overture to the sister work MISSA SOLEMNIS.

              As for the Ode to which so many rapturously refer, it is a palaver, an offering to the unwashed masses, rather than the product of a genius who could not help endlessly but to produce heavens shattering works of unending durability.

              I'll take the GLORIA and the AMEN of the second part of the Missa Solemnis any time well over the Ode (even though it is very nice), simply because the Gloria of the Missa overpowers and extinguishes the chorale part of the ninth.

              And after the Missa, an immediate return to any of LVB's piano sonatas is an absolute treat. Try the 15th for example.

              A Calm Sea and A Prosperous Voyage

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                #8
                Originally posted by DavidO View Post
                He wrote some plays, too, including one called "Don Carlos" in 1787. I'm not interested enough to search the Web, but I wonder whether that's the work Verdi adapted for his opera.
                Next to Shakespeare, Verdi had the highest regard for Schiller and based five of his operas (including Don Carlos, Joan of Arc, I masnadieri, Luisa Miller) on his plays.
                'Man know thyself'

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by lvbfanatic View Post
                  The only part of the 9th (with due apologies to all who just cannot live minus the ode) that has any real depth is the very first movement. It is a work of art that can stand entirely by itself, or even better, have been the overture to the sister work MISSA SOLEMNIS.

                  As for the Ode to which so many rapturously refer, it is a palaver, an offering to the unwashed masses, rather than the product of a genius who could not help endlessly but to produce heavens shattering works of unending durability.

                  I'll take the GLORIA and the AMEN of the second part of the Missa Solemnis any time well over the Ode (even though it is very nice), simply because the Gloria of the Missa overpowers and extinguishes the chorale part of the ninth.

                  And after the Missa, an immediate return to any of LVB's piano sonatas is an absolute treat. Try the 15th for example.


                  I agree that overall the Missa is the greater work, and that of the 9ths individual movements, the first has the most gravitas. However, the finale is a tremendous achievement of the highest genius - to denigrade it simply because it contains a popular tune is unfair and misses the point. As a hymn to humanity it has no rivals. As for the inner two movements, the scherzo is one of the greatest ever written, and the beautiful adagio served as the model for Bruckner and Mahler. Overall the 9th along with Berlioz's Symphonie Fantastique (written only a few years later) rank as the most original symphonies conceived.
                  'Man know thyself'

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                    #10
                    I think "original" hardly qualifies it. And to be bracketed with Berlioz almost denigrates it. The prior writer makes a good point in flagging the Pastoral sonata, Op.28.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by PDG View Post
                      I think "original" hardly qualifies it. And to be bracketed with Berlioz almost denigrates it.
                      Why? Both works ARE highly original and both were highly influential on Liszt and Wagner.
                      'Man know thyself'

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Peter View Post
                        Why? Both works ARE highly original and both were highly influential on Liszt and Wagner.
                        Well, Peter, I suggest that all Beethoven's symphonies starting from number one are "original" and certainly, nos. 3, 5, 6, 8 & 9 all qualify. But the Choral is so much more. Epoch-making and unparralelled are better adjectives, I think. In this context, I think any alleged symphonic influence on either Liszt and Wagner is fanciful since the depth of their music in this field at least, is shallow and bombastic when compared to Beethoven. Berlioz is interesting but none of his music can touch the sincerity of LvB's.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by PDG View Post
                          Well, Peter, I suggest that all Beethoven's symphonies starting from number one are "original" and certainly, nos. 3, 5, 6, 8 & 9 all qualify. But the Choral is so much more. Epoch-making and unparralelled are better adjectives, I think. In this context, I think any alleged symphonic influence on either Liszt and Wagner is fanciful since the depth of their music in this field at least, is shallow and bombastic when compared to Beethoven. Berlioz is interesting but none of his music can touch the sincerity of LvB's.
                          Well PDG since you seem to agree with me that the 9th is a tremendous work I would have thought you would have supported those aspects of my post where I praised the 9th rather than bypassing Lvbfanatics somewhat derisory opinion of that work and praising his recommendation of Op.28, a work I would also heartily endorse. However focusing as you wish to on the originality aspect, yes I agree a case can be made for the symphonies you list, but none had quite the impact on future generations of composers as the 9th. Indeed the 9th's influence was not confined to symphonic composition - Wagner as is well known argued that in it Beethoven pointed the way to the "Music of the Future," a universal drama uniting words and tones, in short, Wagner’s own operas.

                          Indeed Berlioz's music is interesting, strikingly original and highly influential in the development of the symphonic form, instrumentation, and the depiction in music of programmatic ideas, features central to musical Romanticism. Richard Pohl, the German critic in Schumann's musical journal, the Neue Zeitschrift für Musik, called Berlioz "the true pathbreaker".

                          Therefore I see no reason to retract my opinion that Beethoven's 9th, Berlioz's Symphonie fantastique (and I should have added Weber's Der Freischutz) were all pivotal works that had a tremendous impact on the Romantics - especially Wagner whose music dominated the second half of the 19th century.
                          'Man know thyself'

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Peter View Post
                            Well PDG since you seem to agree with me that the 9th is a tremendous work I would have thought you would have supported those aspects of my post where I praised the 9th rather than bypassing Lvbfanatics somewhat derisory opinion of that work and praising his recommendation of Op.28, a work I would also heartily endorse. However focusing as you wish to on the originality aspect, yes I agree a case can be made for the symphonies you list, but none had quite the impact on future generations of composers as the 9th. Indeed the 9th's influence was not confined to symphonic composition - Wagner as is well known argued that in it Beethoven pointed the way to the "Music of the Future," a universal drama uniting words and tones, in short, Wagner’s own operas.

                            Indeed Berlioz's music is interesting, strikingly original and highly influential in the development of the symphonic form, instrumentation, and the depiction in music of programmatic ideas, features central to musical Romanticism. Richard Pohl, the German critic in Schumann's musical journal, the Neue Zeitschrift für Musik, called Berlioz "the true pathbreaker".

                            Therefore I see no reason to retract my opinion that Beethoven's 9th, Berlioz's Symphonie fantastique (and I should have added Weber's Der Freischutz) were all pivotal works that had a tremendous impact on the Romantics - especially Wagner whose music dominated the second half of the 19th century.
                            Of course, Peter, I bow to your intelligence in these matters. However, I cannot trust Wagner's assessment of the 9th since he seems to have regarded only himself as Beethoven's heir-apparent and torch-bearer.

                            When critics called Brahms' 1st symphony: "Beethoven's Tenth", they had presumably already decided to disregard the the Berlioz work as a novelty but not much more (?) which I agree is not to disregard it on those grounds alone.

                            My comment on LVBfanatic's post about the Pastoral sonata was merely to say what a fine work this is! And my apologies for my earlier mis-spelling of the word "unparalleled".

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by PDG View Post
                              Of course, Peter, I bow to your intelligence in these matters. However, I cannot trust Wagner's assessment of the 9th since he seems to have regarded only himself as Beethoven's heir-apparent and torch-bearer.

                              When critics called Brahms' 1st symphony: "Beethoven's Tenth", they had presumably already decided to disregard the the Berlioz work as a novelty but not much more (?) which I agree is not to disregard it on those grounds alone.

                              My comment on LVBfanatic's post about the Pastoral sonata was merely to say what a fine work this is! And my apologies for my earlier mis-spelling of the word "unparalleled".
                              PDG please no bowing here, it's totally against my principals! I don't think it is a case of 'trusting Wagner's assessment' - the point is the impact the 9th made on him and that is indisputable. As to Brahms' 1st, well the claim that he was Beethoven's heir was a contemporary German assessment which obviously would have seen him in that tradition (which Berlioz could not be a part of). However, Brahms' 1st symphony pays homage to the past whilst Berlioz's Symphonie fantastique points to the future.
                              'Man know thyself'

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