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Firstly, I disagree with you Preston, that "orchestral" can mean a piece including any instruments of the orchestra....certainly it does not have to include all the instruments but a piano sonata? There is no way I would consider that to be an orchestral work.
Also, what about vocal music? The voice is not an instrument of the orchestra (though it is an instrument, of course).
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Originally posted by Preston:
HaydnFan, yes I understand that, about the era and the genre.
Orchestral doesn't mean that it has to use the whole orchestra. It just means that instruments from the orchetra are being used, there for it is orchestral.
Peter had a good point saying that using "orchestral" could get confusing because composers like John Williams use an orchestra or instruments from an orchestra.
Preston
[This message has been edited by Preston (edited 10-13-2006).]
John Williams's Star Wars is orchestral music as it uses this large body of instrumentalists combining all the different sections of an orchestra - this has nothing to do with stylistic issues, purely genre.
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Originally posted by Chris:
Creating art is superficial?
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Originally posted by HaydnFan:
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classical (with a small C) can refer, as we have been saying, to any of this music (Baroque, Classical, Romantic, Modern, etc.). This is why you see in the record stores the classical music section or you might say to your friends, "I like classical music"...this could mean you like Bach, Mozart, Stravinsky, Monteverdi, Copland, Purcell, etc. etc.
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PDG, I agree there...you can also find such non-classical music in record stores as Josh Groban and Il Divo...sigh
Preston, I said symphonic? I can't find it in my post but that is probably a worse term than "orchestral" because symphonic refers to a very specific genre of music called "Symphony"...usually 4 (or with Beethoven sometimes 5) movements using the orchestra (ie. no particular solo instruments or groups of instruments)
I still think "art music" might be the best term we have...I think the reason it was brought up was because in German, lieder (songs) does not mean the same thing that a "song" means in the English-speaking world...a lied is an "art song" and is distinguished from a separate term for any song (such as a pop song).
So in the same spirit, maybe "classical" music should be called "art music"?
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Originally posted by PDG:
With record stores, I just don't think they have a clue about which music should go in which rack. You will find Charlotte Church in "Classical Music" AND "Pop Music" when really she belongs in "Screeching Overrated Brat Music" (no offence, Charlotte...).
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Originally posted by PDG:
It can be, especially in these modern, disposable times. But Beethoven I believe was always inspired to create music rather than art. I don't listen to a Beethoven symphony and think "that's one of my favourite pieces of art"! Which is not to say that Beethoven was not a great artist. He just followed his muse.
Kind Regards,
Preston
[This message has been edited by Preston (edited 10-15-2006).]- I hope, or I could not live. - written by H.G. Wells
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Originally posted by Preston:
Groups like Britney Spears, The Killers, rap music (God forbid it), etc. are often associated with being pop music. But there are also bands like Fleetwood Mac, Kansas, etc. and so on.
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