Beethoven and Hitler.
how could beethoven react about hitler ideas?
and what was Hitler's judgement of Beethoven?
and what was Hitler's judgement of Beethoven?
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That's more a question for the Hitler Forum. By the way I've just uploaded some new mp3 tracks at my Handel Forum site: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/handelforum/Originally posted by waldstein:
how could beethoven react about hitler ideas?
and what was Hitler's judgement of Beethoven?
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1. With utter revulsion. Why is this a question?Originally posted by waldstein:
how could beethoven react about hitler ideas?
and what was Hitler's judgement of Beethoven?
2. Who cares!Comment
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Originally posted by Droell:
1. With utter revulsion. Why is this a question?
2. Who cares!
Let's not get so upset about this. Hitler was a bad man, but his interest in German culture and heritage makes his opinions of German composers interesting and relevent.
I don't know about Hitler's opinions on Beethoven but I know he did not particularly care for Schubert, not necessarily because of his music, but because of the way Schubert looked (strangely enough).
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Okay, so one of the two questions have been resolved. On to the second: Why is Herr Hitler's opinion about German culture - which he did so much to destroy outright - of interest? I am genuinely curious.Originally posted by HaydnFan:
Let's not get so upset about this. Hitler was a bad man, but his interest in German culture and heritage makes his opinions of German composers interesting and relevent.
Why not pair Richard Strauss & Hitler? Furtwangler & Hitler? They at least knew of each other.
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The first hypothetical question can best be answered by B's ultimate reaction to Napoleon... and we know that story all too well.Originally posted by waldstein:
how would beethoven have reacted to hitler's ideas?
and what was Hitler's judgement of Beethoven?
The second question can be attempted anecdotally... Not too long ago a radio station broadcast the preserved recording of a live concert of the 5th symphony done in Berlin in 1943. So the composer was highly tolerated and accepted by the regime of the time.
Parenthetically, an awful lot of coughing was heard in the background, which meant that the Berliners who attended that concert were by then in poor health.
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Is there a Hitler forum? I'm afraid to look.Originally posted by Rod:
That's more a question for the Hitler Forum. /
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Not really a solution. Do you know if the conductor was Furtwangler? He detested the Nazis. Presumably a great many other Berliners did, too.Originally posted by Ateach Asc:
The second question can be attempted anecdotally... Not too long ago a radio station broadcast the preserved recording of a live concert of the 5th symphony done in Berlin in 1943. So the composer was highly tolerated and accepted by the regime of the time.
The president of my country is a man who is increasingly compared to Hitler. Do I care for his opinion of George Gershwin? No. His actions have eliminated any interest I might have in him, his ideas, his opinions, or anything else about him.
(I can't seem to spell today.)
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Or by analogy... during the Nazi era a number of composers fled Germany. These included Brecht, Dessau, Eisler, Hindemith, Schoenberg and Weill. Orf stayed behind as did Richard Strauss.Originally posted by Ateach Asc:
The second question can be attempted anecdotally...
Knowing what we do of B's indomitable spirit and forceful character it is probably very possible that he too would have fled Germany had he lived in the nazi era.
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There are many princes but only ONE Beethoven!There are many princes but only ONE Beethoven!Comment
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Op. 81a: He stays behind, though cannons hurt his ears.Originally posted by stude_ham:
Knowing what we do of B's indomitable spirit and forceful character it is probably very possible that he too would have fled Germany had he lived in the nazi era.
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i'm not an antisemitic , but i like hitler's way of building a powerfull Germany, no one can deny that the man did a lot for his country,in addition all of us know that karajan and furtwangler who are the best interprets of beethoven were also nazi !Comment
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hey waldstein
first of all. I am greatly offeneded that you would even put hitler and beethoven in the same sentence. First of all hitler did nothing for germany but utterly destroy with his regime againist the jews. Have you even read anything about what hitler did to those people? I have and let me tell you it is not pretty.
I guess beethoven would have laughed at him and try to stay out of his way. If B were alive when hitler was around he would have been very appallued by the way he was treating his fellow man.
Hitler did try to keep the culture going with Wanger and other german composers at the time that felt the same way as he did. One of my dad teachers Jan Bender despised Hitler.
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I don't think this topic is relevant to Beethoven discussion.
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