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    Interesting item on Google news:

    Long-lost Beethoven 'duets' with Burns are music to the ears
    TIM CORNWELL
    ARTS CORRESPONDENT
    FIVE ARRANGEMENTS of Scottish and Irish folk songs by Ludwig van Beethoven, including Highland Harry by Robert Burns, have emerged in a private collection.

    The rare musical manuscript, in Beethoven’s own hand, dates from 1815, the year of the Battle of Waterloo. Part of a series of tunes commissioned by an Edinburgh publisher, George Thomson, they are now up for auction and expected to sell for about £400,000.

    Beethoven’s score for Highland Harry - whose chorus Burns picked up "from an old woman in Dunblane" - was described by one expert yesterday as a jaunty piece that used a bass "drone" to give a folksy feel.

    The first verse of the short song reads:

    "My Harry was a gallant gay, Fu’ stately strade he on the plain; But now he’s banish’d far away, I’ll never see him back again."

    Beethoven’s settings of British folk tunes have often been overlooked, but they are increasingly seen as part of the master’s oeuvre.

    Thomson, who lived from 1757 to 1851, enlisted leading European composers, including Haydn, Weber and Hummel, to write classical accompaniments for the original melodies of Scottish and Irish folk songs, suitable for violin, cello and piano in family homes.

    He boldly haggled with Beethoven over prices - eventually agreeing to pay four gold ducats rather than three - and insisted that the composer keep his music simple enough for amateur players. The manuscript, which goes on sale at a Christie’s auction in November, is said to be the first to appear on the open market in 15 years, with an estimated price of £350,000-£450,000. It has been in a private collection since 1959 and includes five songs, among them the popular setting of Tis The Last Rose of Summer, by Thomas Moore.

    The 12 leaves of paper are stitched together with the original twine, said Thomas Venning, a manuscript specialist at Christie’s. "It is as it left Beethoven’s desk."

    Beethoven’s fame was such that manuscripts in his own hand have usually been broken up and sold one leaf at a time, added Mr Venning.

    As secretary to the board of trustees for the Encouragement of Arts and Manufacturers in Scotland, Thomson was a champion of Scottish culture.

    He set out to remould Scottish and other British folk tunes with classical arrangements and genteel words that would make them fit for British drawing rooms.

    He commissioned more than 200 settings from Franz Joseph Haydn while also commissioning words from Burns, Sir Walter Scott and others.

    Thomson approached Beethoven in the early 19th century after Haydn became too ill, and after Burns’s death in 1796. Beethoven eventually wrote settings for 126 songs, about a third of them Scottish.

    "Thomson’s goal was to preserve the best Scottish songs in the manner that he thought was best for his time," said Marjorie Rycroft, of the music department at Glasgow University. "He was a collector, he was an editor, and a very good amateur musician."

    Thomson sent Beethoven the original tunes for the songs, but not the words. In 1812, after the composer complained bitterly that he could not write them without the words, Thomson began to send brief descriptions.

    He twice asked Beethoven to adapt Highland Harry, later describing the song in 1820 to the composer, as "a girl sighs for the return of her beloved".

    Mr Venning said: "This was quite an unusual thing for Beethoven to be involved with. He really poured himself into these settings and took them very seriously. This is Beethoven at his closest involvement with British and Irish culture."

    Beethoven, who lived from 1770-1827, grappled with settings of God Save the King and Auld Lang Syne.

    In his diaries, he wrote: "The Scotch songs show how unconstrainedly irregular melodies can be treated with the help of harmony."

    Barry Cooper, a professor of music at Manchester University and the author of a book, Beethoven’s Folk Settings, said the composer’s work on the folk tunes was long dismissed by both classical purists and folk enthusiasts.

    "What tended to happen was the German scholars thought these were rubbishy British songs, and the British thought it was a German composer messing about with our folk tunes.

    "People who want Scottish things tend to be a bit suspicious of Beethoven, and people who want Beethoven’s music tend to be suspicious of Scottish things."

    Mr Cooper said the tune was "jaunty with a semblance of folk elements". There is a single bass note running all through the piece that gives an imitation of a folksy bass "drone".

    Michael

    #2
    Originally posted by Michael:


    "What tended to happen was the German scholars thought these were rubbishy British songs, and the British thought it was a German composer messing about with our folk tunes.

    Michael
    Anyone who has heard Beethoven's Scottish arrangements will agree that this Brittish music had never sounded so good until it got into the hands of this German, and it hasn't been improved on since.

    We've had some of this music at the then 'rare' Beethoven mp3 page, and some more to come when we get to op108.



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      #3
      Originally posted by Michael:
      Long-lost Beethoven 'duets' with Burns
      FIVE ARRANGEMENTS of Scottish and Irish folk songs by Ludwig van Beethoven, including Highland Harry by Robert Burns, have emerged in a private collection.
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      It has been in a private collection since 1959 and includes five songs, among them the popular setting of Tis The Last Rose of Summer, by Thomas Moore.
      aFinement!, Michael
      Do you know what tunes are set here but Highland Harry, and Tis The Last Rose of Summer, would you please tell us?

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        #4
        Sorry, I don't know. I just pasted in the news item. There is an arrangement of the tune of the "Last Rose of Summer" in the existing catalogue, though not under that name - I can't remember its other title. "Highland Harry" is completely new to me.

        Michael

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          #5
          Michael! It's quite all right - your contributions to this board are treats to me.
          Your memory works just the same Formidable(!). The Last Rose of Summer which is an Irish air was presented to LvB in late 1814. His resposive ('first') setting lacks title but for its text incipit which reads: »Sad & Luckless was the Season«. (Note that the words here are by William Smyth - Not by Robert Burns; which is damning since the newly found autograph of this folksong (duet version) would not bear any lyric whatsoever, [after what I can understand] yet it is referred to as one of 5 'duets with Burns'.) In any event both versions was probably written about the same time, to be sent off to Thomson, in 1815. The solo setting got printed byThomson 1816 as no.6 of '20 Irish Songs' (=woo153). Also, the tune form the basis for the Variations for flute and clavier, written in 1818, Opus 105 no.4!
          As for the folksong Highland Harry, it also exists in a solo version (=woo156 no.6) from the same period. It's text is downright by Robert Burns and begins thus: »Harry was a gallant gay« (as you have already stated above). - An interesting fact however, and completely new to me, is that this text also stands for in a later setting, from 1820, titled Highlander's Lament (=woo157 no.9) [same tune?or another?: both declared 'Scottish'!]. /Doppelsonne/ Geratlas sending over to You.

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            #6
            You are quite right, Geratlas, about "Highland Harry". When I posted the original message , I went through the CD booklet of the complete Folksong Arrangements and I missed it - but it's there alright, No. 6 of WoO 156.
            I thought this new discovery might be alternative arrangements that have never been heard before but I'm not so sure now. Beethoven did do about ten alternatives which were published, but for some strange reason they were left out of the Complete Beethoven Edition.

            Michael

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              #7
              Incidentally, has anyone listened to the Deutsche Grammophon boxset named "Folksongs settings"?? I'm quite curious about it... I'm not familiar with those works from LvB.

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                #8
                Is it advisable the Beethoven Folksong 6cd boxset from Deutsche Grammophon or are there other options? I'm asking since I presume there is not much to choose from (regarding the folksong arrangements)... but hey, this is the LVB reference site, so... it's plenty of qualified opinions around here

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by atserriotserri:
                  Is it advisable the Beethoven Folksong 6cd boxset from Deutsche Grammophon or are there other options? I'm asking since I presume there is not much to choose from (regarding the folksong arrangements)... but hey, this is the LVB reference site, so... it's plenty of qualified opinions around here
                  There are other options if you can find them and dont want to pay the hefty price for the DG set all at once. I have at least 5 other CDs of Bs folksong arrangements, all pretty good (especially those on period instuments!).

                  Rod


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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Rod:
                    There are other options if you can find them and dont want to pay the hefty price for the DG set all at once. I have at least 5 other CDs of Bs folksong arrangements, all pretty good (especially those on period instuments!). Rod
                    This is grand, Rod! If it is not a bother to you, tell us the names of these recordings, and which of the settings they cover. Could be fun to know; those given on period instruments are of special interest to me. (Earlier on this topic you have mentioned opus 108: Does your disk comprise all 25 songs of this work on period instruments?)/ G.

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                      #11


                      I'll copy down the details and get back here. I don't think I have all of op108 but I'll check that too. The disks are all compilations from B's various folksong collections.


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                        #12
                        I could not find any other version and finally purchased the DG boxset. Currently I'm listening to the 1st cd, op. 108 25 scottish songs.
                        I think they deserve a great consideration particularly if one considers that Beethoven composed these arrangements with just a brief written description of the character of the melody, or a summary of the poem.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Geratlas:
                          Originally posted by Rod:
                          There are other options if you can find them and dont want to pay the hefty price for the DG set all at once. I have at least 5 other CDs of Bs folksong arrangements, all pretty good (especially those on period instuments!). Rod
                          This is grand, Rod! If it is not a bother to you, tell us the names of these recordings, and which of the settings they cover. Could be fun to know; those given on period instruments are of special interest to me. (Earlier on this topic you have mentioned opus 108: Does your disk comprise all 25 songs of this work on period instruments?)/ G.
                          As promised here are the details of some recodings I have, but there are more if you look around. But some of these may no longer be available:

                          'Beethoven Volkslieder, Weltliche Vokalwerke'Arts 47519-2 (op108, WoO152/153/157).

                          'L van Beethoven Songs' Channel Classics CCS1491 (op108, WoO152).

                          'Beethoven Irish & Scottish Songs' Astree E8850 (op108, WoO152/153/154/155/156/157)

                          'Beethoven Inspired by Songs from the British Isles' Sony Classics SK 64301 (op108, WoO152/153/154/155/156/157)

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                            #14
                            15 May 2005 at 8:00 PM
                            The Jerusalem Center for Near East Studies
                            (Brigham Young University)
                            Mount Scopus, Jerusalem

                            It was a standing-room-only performance of the "Evergreen Ensemble" that blended 14 of Beethoven's folk song arrangements with authentic folk songs performed by singers and players from the Israeli Philharmonic Orchestra.

                            It was great to see that Beethoven can still pack a house! It was a fantastic evening.


                            "Is it not strange that sheep guts should hale souls out of men's bodies?"

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                              #15
                              Hofrat,
                              Please tell me what instruments,were they trios?
                              "Finis coronat opus "

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