how to play trills in beethoven's pathétique

[luis79]

Hi, i'm having troubles in playing the trills in the right hand of the con brio section of the first movement of Beethoven's Path?tique... Do you have any tips on how to do these trills correctly?


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[Peter]

I assume you are referring to the little Pralltriller bars 47-48 etc.. Well you must make sure they are not played as quaver triplets. They should be 2 demisemiquavers followed by a slightly accented dotted quaver. Use the fingering 243

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[Sorrano]

Originally posted by Peter:
I assume you are referring to the little Pralltriller bars 47-48 etc.. Well you must make sure they are not played as quaver triplets. They should be 2 demisemiquavers followed by a slightly accented dotted quaver. Use the fingering 243

Pardon my ignorance in this, but to translate this to "American" would that be playing the trills as 32nd notes followed by a dotted quarter note?

[Peter]

Originally posted by Sorrano:
Pardon my ignorance in this, but to translate this to "American" would that be playing the trills as 32nd notes followed by a dotted quarter note?

Quavers are 8th notes, so two 32nds followed by dotted 8th - How I much prefer quavers and semiquavers!!

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[Chris]

To me "quaver" sounds like a little vibrato or something.

[luis79]

Thanks a lot! now it sounds right...
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[Sorrano]

Originally posted by Peter:
Quavers are 8th notes, so two 32nds followed by dotted 8th - How I much prefer quavers and semiquavers!!

Any idea regarding the root of the word quaver? (Sorry to be off topic, here.)

[Peter]

Originally posted by Sorrano:

Any idea regarding the root of the word quaver? (Sorry to be off topic, here.)

The English terms, Breve (whole note), semibreve,Minim, crotchet, quaver, semiquaver, demisemiquaver and even semihemidemisemiquaver (128th note!!!!) are all based on the old Latin names from the middle ages. The French use descriptive terms such as Blanche (white, half-note) Noire (black, quarter note). The American terminology is based on the German system.

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[Chris]

Originally posted by Peter:
The English terms, Breve (whole note), semibreve,Minim, crotchet, quaver, semiquaver, demisemiquaver and even semihemidemisemiquaver (128th note!!!!)...

I thought a semibreve, not a breve, was a whole note. No?



[This message has been edited by Chris (edited 03-24-2005).]

[Peter]

Originally posted by Chris:
I thought a semibreve, not a breve, was a whole note. No?

Yes you are right - you see how I get confused with your American terms!

A Breve is a Double Whole Note!!

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