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    From Handel to Scandal !


    New York Post, Nov 19th, 2004

    A New Jersey school district has banned schools from performing traditional religious music in favour of Frosty the Snowman !
    A sign of the times ?
    http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/op...ists/34421.htm



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    #2
    Originally posted by Amalie:

    New York Post, Nov 19th, 2004

    A New Jersey school district has banned schools from performing traditional religious music in favour of Frosty the Snowman ! A sign of the times ?
    Not really... if read carefully, it appears the cancellations were a sign of a typically frustrated and severely narrow minded small change Petty BUREAUCRAT! These frustrated misfits of society only create problems where none ever existed. The music department's response to this bureacratic crap should have been to cancel the concert altogether rather than to embroil itself in this mishigasz.



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      #3
      Originally posted by Amalie:

      New York Post, Nov 19th, 2004

      A New Jersey school district has banned schools from performing traditional religious music in favour of Frosty the Snowman !
      A sign of the times ?
      No, it is not a sign of the times. It is a question of the separation of church and state in the USA.
      "Is it not strange that sheep guts should hale souls out of men's bodies?"

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        #4
        Originally posted by Hofrat:
        No, it is not a sign of the times. It is a question of the separation of church and state in the USA.
        The very odd thing is from a UK perspective is that we have an established church which is virtually moribund owing to the secular inclinations of most people in the country, when the whole object of being established was to foster and promote Christianity, whereas, in the U.S. where there is a theoretical separation of church and state and therefore no state sponsorship of the church, Christianity in America is very strong, very active and growing all the time.
        Perhaps a kind of free market principle comes into play, so that when people are free to subscribe to the religion of their choice as in America, the church infact becomes that much stronger. Anyhow, as I understand it the practice in America varies from state to state. Doesn't Utah State support the Mormons, I would be interested to know. Sorry to get off topic.



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          #5
          Originally posted by Amalie:
          Doesn't Utah State support the Mormons, I would be interested to know.
          Absolutely not!! The Mormons are the only Christian sect that enforces the "tithe:" 10% of a Mormon's income is paid to the church.


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            #6
            The USA's "separation of church and state" means only that Congress can make no law establishing an official religion of the state or preventing the practice of a religion. The misconception that it means that no mention of God or religion can be made in any government document, function, etc. has spread like mad for some reason, even to the point of John Kerry invoking it in a situation where it had nothing to do with anything.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Hofrat:
              Absolutely not!! The Mormons are the only Christian sect that enforces the "tithe:" 10% of a Mormon's income is paid to the church.
              Just to clarifiy, Mormons are not classified as Christians (by non-Mormons, anyway), so you might say that no Chrisitan denomination enforces the 10% tithe.

              [This message has been edited by Chris (edited 12-27-2004).]

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                #8
                Originally posted by Chris:
                Just to clarifiy, Mormons are not classified as Christians (by non-Mormons, anyway), so you might say that no Chrisitan denomination enforces the 10% tithe.

                [This message has been edited by Chris (edited 12-27-2004).]
                Mormons don't enforce the tithe anyway. It's voluntary, although considered as a commandment. The church is supported by tithes and other donations as well as from income from various businesses in which they have investments.

                And I might add that they teach that Christ is the Son of God as their primary doctrine so you can judge for you for yourselves whether or not that is Christian.

                (Sorry for the off the topic comment!)

                [This message has been edited by Sorrano (edited 12-28-2004).]

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Sorrano:
                  Mormons don't enforce the tithe anyway. It's voluntary, although considered as a commandment. The church is supported by tithes and other donations as well as from income from various businesses in which they have investments.
                  Hm. But what in what sense can following a commandment be voluntary? I mean, it's a commandment, not a suggestion. Obviously they can't just start breaking the thumbs of people who don't pay the tithe, so of course it can't be enforced in that sense. Perhaps it's something that works on the "honor system?"

                  And I might add that they teach that Christ is the Son of God as their primary doctrine so you can judge for you for yourselves whether or not that is Christian.
                  I believe it is their specific concpetions of the nature of God, Christ, and the Trinity that usually disqualifies them from technically being considered Christians in the view of most Christian churches.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Chris:
                    Hm. But what in what sense can following a commandment be voluntary? I mean, it's a commandment, not a suggestion. Obviously they can't just start breaking the thumbs of people who don't pay the tithe, so of course it can't be enforced in that sense. Perhaps it's something that works on the "honor system?"
                    If they do not do certain things such as pay tithing then they are not allowed in the Temples. But no one is kicked out of the church services; all are welcome. And they have access to most things that members have that do pay tithing. Focus is not on who is not doing what but rather on helping all to reach a higher level of spirituality and to be better off overall than what they were previously.

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