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    Beethoven trivia

    Did you know that there are 111 individual piano sonata movements? - a coincidence since the last sonata is Op.111. No, I didn't count them all, but read this in Robert Taub's excellent book 'playing the Beethoven sonatas.'

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    #2
    Originally posted by Peter:
    Did you know that there are 111 individual piano sonata movements? - a coincidence since the last sonata is Op.111. No, I didn't count them all, but read this in Robert Taub's excellent book 'playing the Beethoven sonatas.'

    Does that count the unpublished sonata movements? I'll have to check out the book!

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      #3
      Originally posted by Sorrano:

      Does that count the unpublished sonata movements? I'll have to check out the book!
      No I think it is referring directly to The 32.

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        #4
        Er.....I count 102, excluding the Kurfurstensonaten and fragments.

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          #5
          Originally posted by PDG:
          Er.....I count 102, excluding the Kurfurstensonaten and fragments.
          Well I haven't counted them but he breaks it down the following way 42 Allegro, 4 vivace, 16 Adagio, 13 Allegretto, 8 Andante, 4 Largo, 3 Prestissimo, 5 Presto, interestingly NO Andantino (a term Beethoven himself found too vague and even questioned its meaning) and 16 other movements with German indications.

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            #6
            Op.2/1 = 4 mvts (4)
            Op.2/2 = 4 mvts (8)
            Op.2/3 = 4 mvts (12)
            Op.7 = 4 mvts (16)
            Op.10/1 = 3 mvts (19)
            Op.10/2 = 3 mvts (22)
            Op.10/3 = 4 mvts (26)
            Op.13 = 3 mvts (29)
            Op.14/1 = 3 mvts (32)
            Op.14/2 = 3 mvts (35)
            Op.22 = 4 mvts (39)
            Op.26 = 4 mvts (43)
            Op.27/1 = 4 mvts (47)
            Op.27/2 = 3 mvts (50)
            Op.28 = 4 mvts (54)
            Op.31/1 = 3 mvts (57)
            Op.31/2 = 3 mvts (60)
            Op.31/3 = 4 mvts (64)
            Op.49/1 = 2 mvts (66)
            Op.49/2 = 2 mvts (68)
            Op.53 = 3 mvts (71)
            Op.54 = 2 mvts (73)
            Op.57 = 3 mvts (76)
            Op.78 = 2 mvts (78)
            Op.79 = 3 mvts (81)
            Op.81a = 3 mvts (84)
            Op.90 = 2 mvts (86)
            Op.101 = 4 mvts (90)
            Op.106 = 5 mvts (95)
            Op.109 = 2 mvts (97)
            Op.110 = 3 mvts (100)
            Op.111 = 2 mvts (102)

            Okay, you could argue that Op.109 has 3 mvts, or that Op.106 has 4, but I just can't see how anyone can count 111 movements. Counting the Op.47 sonatas however DOES push the total to 111 (102 + 9)? But then what about the other bits and pieces? WoO.51 for example?

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              Originally posted by PDG:

              Okay, you could argue that Op.109 has 3 mvts, or that Op.106 has 4, but I just can't see how anyone can count 111 movements. Counting the Op.47 sonatas however DOES push the total to 111 (102 + 9)? But then what about the other bits and pieces? WoO.51 for example?
              Well he must be counting WoO47, which after all were published with Beethoven's approval. WoO51 is incomplete with the finale missing and the first two movements finished by Ries - the work was published posthumuosly.

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