Originally posted by
William,
"It has a Spirit of the Tragic/Comedy
inherit within. The pure Logic of Pythagorean
truth of polarity, it will make you cry and
at the same time marvel,inspire you with the
will to LIVE, the joy of thank you, for I am
alive to experience this mystery of you and
me here right now,and enrich me so that we BOTH rise to the occasion and be the noble
creatures that we are but refuse/fear to acknowledge."
urbtextmiester writes:
" ...just as a hypothetical, say that I have that very same experience while listening to Britney Spears sing, "Oops. I did it again." Do you consider that:
1. an impossibility.--
Not at all, or so I would hope that good transcends in many ways as possible through as many variables.(WJ)
2. A subjective similarity with an objective dissimilarity. - As I understand the question
Yes but with certain reservations as you will see.
3. irrelevant.- Thanks to you,I now have a understanding .Nothing is irrelevant per se,this is not to admonish, or ego driven just to disagree, this is a new understanding for me.
I had a preconceived notion/answer ready but
I see now that is nonsense in the cosmic sense ,that to attribute,to judge something
as irrevelant is EGO driven, for me to label
Ms Spears as irrevelant is to label myself as so. Is she not a part of my experience,the
cosmic whole that we all share at any one time.
So her body of work is not irrevelant because
-it defines what I hold dear as truth!
I want to say once more the level of consciousness that I behold on this site,
this is in referance to you, Ms Amalie and you ,Urbertextmeister,My dear friends,I cannot express how deeply grateful I am for allowing me to participate. Never during my life have I been able to express myself in these subject matters that hold a profound influence on my soul as art and music do.
To my great disapointment,I walk day to day through hordes of sad children that possess the stature of the adult and the sensibilities of hungry ghosts.I leave refreshed and renewed by these dialogs we've shared.
Beethoven Op 60 D Major concerto for violin
"can you hear the love of the natural world
it in? the Dynamics of polarity?Soft then
loud ,fast then slow? The new music is all groin and andrenaline rush, fueled
by profits.
Yes I see a contradiction here of the previous stance I took concerning what is revelant,but good music/art is the source of strength and compassion I draw upon.The noble in man, of kindness as this is the difference of man to the beast.As I carry on to do my best,to reinvent myself in progress,to further my understanding so as to the least, be an example to myself,if not to others and greet all with warmth and civility.I believe this is how great art/music uplifts.
A missing element in todays music,art, is a compassion for nature. We truly are in a science fiction world of High technology,low art.
Art is that which embraces the best of man.
"To borrow your interest in the ancient, wasn't the first music that we know about merely melody? The idea of combining melodies came later and the idea of even noticing the vertical "simultaneities" came later. It wasn't until Rameau came up with his treatise in 1722(?) that we got serious about chords".
I beg Ignorance to this ,what is this "serious' you speak of? Guitarists have dealt
with chords since the late 15th century.
And I recall the Neaderthals left behind a
bone flute with 3 diatonic notes,so that is
the early melody,but more astounding is the
postulation that because of the overtone
series,and the triad that is produced,these primitives didn't need to be schooled in
math to intuitively find the right notes,
I just wonder what happened to the prototypes?
"Fugue, it seems to me, is a ubiquitous process in music because the melody is so prominent and the chords, while important, are always a result of it".
My previous thread was vaque on this,I just tried to explain possibly why no melodic movtives happen much more due to the fact of scales being used as a source opposed to Divine "inspiritus"
"Here's a nod to the website we are on:
Isn't Beethoven all about scales (as well as chords)"?
Yes ,the tools, not the sublime result,
His Music
I Thank You for the profound dialoque,
Ms Amalie and Ubermiester,my dear friends for
none of this would be possible for me to experience without you, Wm Jesset
William,
"It has a Spirit of the Tragic/Comedy
inherit within. The pure Logic of Pythagorean
truth of polarity, it will make you cry and
at the same time marvel,inspire you with the
will to LIVE, the joy of thank you, for I am
alive to experience this mystery of you and
me here right now,and enrich me so that we BOTH rise to the occasion and be the noble
creatures that we are but refuse/fear to acknowledge."
urbtextmiester writes:
" ...just as a hypothetical, say that I have that very same experience while listening to Britney Spears sing, "Oops. I did it again." Do you consider that:
1. an impossibility.--
Not at all, or so I would hope that good transcends in many ways as possible through as many variables.(WJ)
2. A subjective similarity with an objective dissimilarity. - As I understand the question
Yes but with certain reservations as you will see.
3. irrelevant.- Thanks to you,I now have a understanding .Nothing is irrelevant per se,this is not to admonish, or ego driven just to disagree, this is a new understanding for me.
I had a preconceived notion/answer ready but
I see now that is nonsense in the cosmic sense ,that to attribute,to judge something
as irrevelant is EGO driven, for me to label
Ms Spears as irrevelant is to label myself as so. Is she not a part of my experience,the
cosmic whole that we all share at any one time.
So her body of work is not irrevelant because
-it defines what I hold dear as truth!
I want to say once more the level of consciousness that I behold on this site,
this is in referance to you, Ms Amalie and you ,Urbertextmeister,My dear friends,I cannot express how deeply grateful I am for allowing me to participate. Never during my life have I been able to express myself in these subject matters that hold a profound influence on my soul as art and music do.
To my great disapointment,I walk day to day through hordes of sad children that possess the stature of the adult and the sensibilities of hungry ghosts.I leave refreshed and renewed by these dialogs we've shared.
Beethoven Op 60 D Major concerto for violin
"can you hear the love of the natural world
it in? the Dynamics of polarity?Soft then
loud ,fast then slow? The new music is all groin and andrenaline rush, fueled
by profits.
Yes I see a contradiction here of the previous stance I took concerning what is revelant,but good music/art is the source of strength and compassion I draw upon.The noble in man, of kindness as this is the difference of man to the beast.As I carry on to do my best,to reinvent myself in progress,to further my understanding so as to the least, be an example to myself,if not to others and greet all with warmth and civility.I believe this is how great art/music uplifts.
A missing element in todays music,art, is a compassion for nature. We truly are in a science fiction world of High technology,low art.
Art is that which embraces the best of man.
"To borrow your interest in the ancient, wasn't the first music that we know about merely melody? The idea of combining melodies came later and the idea of even noticing the vertical "simultaneities" came later. It wasn't until Rameau came up with his treatise in 1722(?) that we got serious about chords".
I beg Ignorance to this ,what is this "serious' you speak of? Guitarists have dealt
with chords since the late 15th century.
And I recall the Neaderthals left behind a
bone flute with 3 diatonic notes,so that is
the early melody,but more astounding is the
postulation that because of the overtone
series,and the triad that is produced,these primitives didn't need to be schooled in
math to intuitively find the right notes,
I just wonder what happened to the prototypes?
"Fugue, it seems to me, is a ubiquitous process in music because the melody is so prominent and the chords, while important, are always a result of it".
My previous thread was vaque on this,I just tried to explain possibly why no melodic movtives happen much more due to the fact of scales being used as a source opposed to Divine "inspiritus"
"Here's a nod to the website we are on:
Isn't Beethoven all about scales (as well as chords)"?
Yes ,the tools, not the sublime result,
His Music
I Thank You for the profound dialoque,
Ms Amalie and Ubermiester,my dear friends for
none of this would be possible for me to experience without you, Wm Jesset
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