ULTIMATE Beethoven concert needs help!

[Mako]

BP,

I agree that talking about recent things etc is bad. What I meant was that people should be able to express themselves more during a concert i.e. if a solo was particularly brilliant, movement especially moving etc, we should be able to applaud, cheer what ever spontaneuosly and not wait until the whole sonata, concerto or whatever is totally over. This approach is best observed in any jazz performance you see today. I feel it would allow the audience to encourage the performer onto an even better performance when the air is not so thick as to make them so nervous.

What do you think?

Also on the topic of cm pubs etc. there is one in London (or was last time I was there) called the 'Brahms & Liszt'. At the time though there was no-one performing in the near past or future. Not sure if it has survived. Also it was as dead as an pub can get unfortunately!

[This message has been edited by Mako (edited 01-14-2001).]

[Kevin]

Originally posted by Mako:
BP,

I agree that talking about recent things etc is bad. What I meant was that people should be able to express themselves more during a concert i.e. if a solo was particularly brilliant, movement especially moving etc, we should be able to applaud, cheer what ever spontaneuosly and not wait until the whole sonata, concerto or whatever is totally over. This approach is best observed in any jazz performance you see today. I feel it would allow the audience to encourage the performer onto an even better performance when the air is not so thick as to make them so nervous.

What do you think?

Also on the topic of cm pubs etc. there is one in London (or was last time I was there) called the 'Brahms & Liszt'. At the time though there was no-one performing in the near past or future. Not sure if it has survived. Also it was as dead as an pub can get unfortunately!

[This message has been edited by Mako (edited 01-14-2001).]

Mako,

Your right. Audience participation would give more spontaneity and excitement to a performance. Also, would make it interactive, which is essential in todays world. It would be closer to the way it actually was in Beethoven's day.

Kevin

[Mako]

Thanks Kevin,

O.K. now with that change, what about doing something about the drab, stuffy black & white outfits. I understand that in Beethovens day they wore their most stylish new clothes for a concert. It wasn't until Liszt that they changed to the now mandatory penguin suits. Get someone out there in the latest Armani or whatever, see how the crowd reacts.

[BP]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mako:
[B]BP,

I agree that talking about recent things etc is bad. What I meant was that people should be able to express themselves more during a concert i.e. if a solo was particularly brilliant, movement especially moving etc, we should be able to applaud, cheer what ever spontaneuosly and not wait until the whole sonata, concerto or whatever is totally over. This approach is best observed in any jazz performance you see today. I feel it would allow the audience to encourage theperformer onto an even better performance when the air is not so thick as to make them so nervous.
[QUOTE]

Well, I am glad you see that, but still, in Jazz, the music never really gets that quiet, whereas in classical, the music might be very quiet around that time. Also, the solos in a jazz number are of a totally different nature than classical solos, and it might not be appropriate, except maybe after cadenzas in the concertos.

Bob

[PDG]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mako:
[B]BP,
I agree that talking about recent things etc is bad. What I meant was that people should be able to express themselves more during a concert i.e. if a solo was particularly brilliant, movement especially moving etc, we should be able to applaud, cheer what ever spontaneuosly and not wait until the whole sonata, concerto or whatever is totally over. This approach is best observed in any jazz performance you see today. I feel it would allow the audience to encourage the performer onto an even better performance when the air is not so thick as to make them so nervous.
What do you think?
Also on the topic of cm pubs etc. there is one in London (or was last time I was there) called the 'Brahms & Liszt'. At the time though there was no-one performing in the near past or future. Not sure if it has survived. Also it was as dead as an pub can get unfortunately!

Mako,

Re your London pub, it may have had nothing to do with classical music. "Brahms and Lizst" is Cockney rhyming slang for being in a state of alcohol-induced inebriation! I`ll let you work out the rhyme

[Michael]

Originally posted by PDG:


Re your London pub, it may have had nothing to do with classical music. "Brahms and Lizst" is Cockney rhyming slang for being in a state of alcohol-induced inebriation! I`ll let you work out the rhyme [/B]

Nice one, PDG. It certainly would have fooled me.

Michael

[~Leslie]

Hello everyone, I see the topic has taken a different turn towards jazz and audience participation. In a live situation, the perceptive jazz band tends to "feed off" the type of energy they get from a particular audience. In other words, an energetic talkative crowd would instill the band not to play quite as many details, as opposed giving a quieter crowd every shade and nuance.~

[Mako]

Whilst I understand that classical music has many quiet passages, you must know that jazz does too. It is up to the audience to judge the appropriate recognition for their appreciation. At least they would be able to become more involved and immersed in the performance and be able to react accordingly instead of the stiff, stale rule that you must wait 'til the end. Just like in Beethoven's day when they erupted in a din of applause and cheers for the slow movement of the 7th symphony that he chose to follow the final movement with an encore of the slow movement again. i.e. he was able to react to the audiences appreciation.

PDG,
On the subject of the 'Brahms & Liszt', I know the cockney slang, but it really is (was) a cm pub. What better use of words to relate to the whole idea of it!

Finally, crowd involvement = crowd injoyment = return patronage. Audiences want to be involved, let them and they will keep coming back in bigger numbers than ever before.

[Serge]

I'm afraid I don't get the rhyme. Brahms & Liszt? I pronounce it "braums and list". Doesn't sound like anything to me! Can someone elucidate?

[Mako]

Serge,

'Brahms & Liszt' is a cockney phrase for being very intoxicated, otherwise known as pissed. I hope I didn't offend anyone

[Peter]

Originally posted by Mako:
Serge,

'Brahms & Liszt' is a cockney phrase for being very intoxicated, otherwise known as pissed. I hope I didn't offend anyone

Certainly not , but mind you it is exactly the state I am in at this very precise moment !!! - I think I shall listen to Brahms 4th Symphony , guaranteed to sober anyone up ! (I think I'll save the Liszt
till tomorrow - as a pianist I feel a touch of 'Waldesrauschen' coming on) Bon nuit.

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'Man know thyself'

[PDG]

Originally posted by Peter:
Certainly not , but mind you it is exactly the state I am in at this very precise moment !!! - I think I shall listen to Brahms 4th Symphony , guaranteed to sober anyone up ! (I think I'll save the Liszt
till tomorrow - as a pianist I feel a touch of 'Waldesrauschen' coming on) Bon nuit.

Peter, it must have been thinking about your "string of exes" that drove you to it. Don`t worry, my friend, we`ve all been there. I sometimes wonder why God didn`t invent a 3rd sex (ultrafemales) to give us chaps greater choice, but then again, how could these creatures possibly surpass what He created from Adam`s rib?

Excuse me now while I dive for cover...........