I like that one, Peter! And it does sound very much like something a 14 year old would write, I think. I don't mean that as a criticism of it, just that it has a youthful character - the work of someone who has learned some things and is excited to experiment with them, with the promise of more to come.
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To focus a bit on the cello part in BWV 4 posted above:
1) The Soprano and Alto duet 'Den Tod niemand zwingen kunnt' with lachrymose, closely-voiced 2-part counterpoint against a more "muscular-but-tender-and-loving" octave-leaping solo cello part:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrq626ro5VU&t=334s
2) The Soprano and Tenor duet 'So feiern wir das hohe Fest', with triplet figurations in the soprano and tenor parts against a more 4-square dotted quaver + semiquaver rhythm in the solo cello. A cellist can sometimes be seduced into making their dotted rhythm sound like a triplet to mimic the vocal soloists - a mistake!:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrq626ro5VU&t=1034sLast edited by Quijote; 02-03-2023, 10:25 PM. Reason: lachrymose, not lachrimose. Apologies for the bad spelling.
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Check out these extraordinarily beautiful variations from Beethoven's piano sonata No.30 in E Major, Op.109. I've jumped to Variation IV which just blows me away.
https://youtu.be/8JZGiY--2LM?t=780Last edited by Quijote; 02-18-2023, 11:58 PM.
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Originally posted by Quijote View PostCheck out these extraordinarily beautiful variations from Beethoven's piano sonata No.30 in E Major, Op.109. I've jumped to Variation IV which just blows me away.
https://youtu.be/8JZGiY--2LM?t=780'Man know thyself'
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Originally posted by PeterYes they are wonderful and of course very difficult to play well, especially the last few pages with those long trills. Isn't it strange how Schubert and Beethoven both entered the sublime with their last 3 piano sonatas?
I'm still reading the Beethoven Conversation Books (volume 2, nearly finished it !) where in one of them he jotted down the opening theme of this sonata whilst in a fiacre (small horse-drawn carriage) on the way out of Vienna to Modling to check out some summer rental properties and later arranging for Stein to ship him his Broadwood that Stein had been adapting for him...I can imagine Beethoven receiving his Broadway and getting down to it out there in the countryside!
Another thing that has been brought home to me reading these Conversation Books is the astonishing amount of time Beethoven spent in various winstubs, bierstubs, coffee houses and eateries on a daily basis! Still, if were a bachelor with a bit of spare cash I'd be right there with him, hah !!Last edited by Quijote; 02-21-2023, 08:13 PM.
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Originally posted by Quijote View Post
That is fairly wild ! You know, I think improvisation is coming back in certain Music Master's programmes. About time, too.
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A great unknown symphony shortly from 1832 by C.Loewe who actually is known only for his songs: https://youtu.be/nyUjeccUEDM I love movements 1 -2 and 4 !
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