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Beethoven String quartet op. 59.2 E-Minor - for ORCHESTRA
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'Man know thyself'
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I must admit that so far from the third Rasumowsky Quartett I loved only the Finale, but now after orchestrating the whole quartet I adore all 4 movements! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI--cyyntuw
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Hello gprengel,
I was hoping for a reply to a recent posting I made above about Beethoven's own arrangement of his 9th Piano Sonata (E major, Op. 14, No. 1) for string quartet (Hess 34).
I know that you're into orchestrating Beethoven sonatas and string quartets and I appreciate your efforts in that regard.
In light of Beethoven's own arrangement and his comments about that and what Tovey had to say about such endeavours (see Peter's comment above), I was wondering what you made of Beethoven's arrangement concerning what he decided to leave out, what he added and, more generally, the ideas that govern the rendering of one musical medium into another.
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Originally posted by Quijote View PostHello gprengel,
I was hoping for a reply to a recent posting I made above about Beethoven's own arrangement of his 9th Piano Sonata (E major, Op. 14, No. 1) for string quartet (Hess 34).
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There are very pianistic movements which are very hard to orchestrate or to set for a string quartet (like this Finale or the 1st. mov. from op.31.2 (d-minor) or 1st mov. op. 109 or op. 57) and there are those which are quite easy.(Finale from the op. 31,2 or 1st. mov. from op. 111). Generelly it is much easier to orchestrate a string quartet than a piano sonata.Last edited by gprengel; 06-02-2022, 09:39 PM.
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Originally posted by gprengelHi, Quijote, thank you very much for hinting us to that string quartett arrangement! Wow - I didn't know that before and I think I like it even more than the original version! I compared now roughly the original score with the string quartet version (from the IMSPL website) and I am astonished about how different both scores are - especially in the last movement where the quartet version is much more interesting (syncopes beneath the main theme and the fantastic development is much more elaborated , replacing all pianistic patterns ...
There are very pianistic movements which are very hard to orchestrate or to set for a string quartet (like this Finale or the 1st. mov. from op.31.2 (d-minor) or 1st mov. op. 109 or op. 57) and there are those which are quite easy.(Finale from the op. 31,2 or 1st. mov. from op. 111). Generelly it is much easier to orchestrate a string quartet than a piano sonata.
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Originally posted by Quijote View PostYes, this is all very much to do with the art of arrangement/orchestration. I studied orchestration at university and I came to the conclusion later (when I became a teacher) that our teacher was a rather poor one; we were told to purchase a copy of an orchestration manual written by Gordon Jacob, do a bunch of exercises and work it out ourselves with barely any examples from the repertoire. The Beethoven arrangement above would have been a great resource to exploit if our teacher had been worth his salt.'Man know thyself'
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Originally posted by gprengeland what do you think of my op. 59,3 orchestration?
So yes, excellent work overall, Gerd. My question now would be: why didn't Beethoven envisage this as a symphony in the first place; this is what I'm trying to work out: what, in the original inspiration and sketches, made Beethoven develop the material into a string quartet and not a symphony?
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Originally posted by Quijote View Post... My question now would be: why didn't Beethoven envisage this as a symphony in the first place; this is what I'm trying to work out: what, in the original inspiration and sketches, made Beethoven develop the material into a string quartet and not a symphony?
There are string quartet movements which can be very well arranged for a symphony (like all of op. 59,2 and 59,3 or the Finale from op. 131 in c#) but others can't - like op. 59,1 (where only the Adagio fits very well for a symphony movement), or op. 74, op. 127 or 132 (where only the Finale is suited for an orchestra)Last edited by gprengel; 06-04-2022, 11:17 PM.
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