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    Orchestrating the Beethoven Sonatas: Challenge Accepted

    I have thought of doing this for quite a while and I have multiple orchestral drafts of a few Beethoven sonata arrangements, which I am not satisfied with. This will amount to my second attempt at the Moonlight Sonata, third attempt at the Appassionata Sonata, and fourth attempt at the Pathetique Sonata. The thing that sparked the idea, well, it was a failure at composing for orchestra combined with my love of Beethoven. And it’s from the attempts to orchestrate the Pathetique and Appassionata Sonatas that I learned a great deal about writing for the orchestra in general. But for a long time, I only thought of arranging the big sonatas, the ones with a dense texture equal to that of the orchestra for an orchestra. This includes the likes of the Pathetique and Appassionata Sonatas.

    As I became a better composer though and got more comfortable with composing orchestral works, I realized that I could take any of the sonatas and arrange it for orchestra. However, since I hadn’t heard all the sonatas at the time, I didn’t start orchestrating the Beethoven Sonatas as an entire set right away. I instead shied away from it as I didn’t want to fail miserably at the sonatas out of unfamiliarity. Even the sonatas that I was super familiar with and arranged in the past, I still shied away from the whole thing. I had to become more familiar with all the Beethoven Sonatas before I could be confident that I can do it. It took about a year and a half to get to where I feel confident that I can arrange all the sonatas for an orchestra.

    Now, why did I go for the orchestra over all other ensembles? There’s multiple reasons for that. First off, there’s just no way I could get a satisfactory arrangement of say the Appassionata Sonata for a string quartet. It’s a literal impossibility. Second, I love composing and arranging for ensembles with significant tone color contrast, orchestra included. And third, I have heard multiple people remark that Beethoven’s piano sonatas are symphonic in scope and I personally agree with this. Beethoven definitely brings that orchestral sound into the solo piano. And his writing tends to be dense like how an orchestra is dense. Not just harmonically, but rhythmically and melodically as well.

    Fourth and finally, I can’t find previous orchestrations for most of these sonatas and with the exception of the Pathetique Sonata, the "orchestral arrangements" I find are disappointing in how little they actually use the orchestra. Moonlight Sonata especially suffers from this being a piano solo with an orchestra pad instead of a true orchestration. And the arrangements I do find that use the orchestra more are incomplete. Like it will be 1 movement of the sonata or even less than that which has been arranged for orchestra(Bruckner only getting as far as the exposition of the first movement of the Pathetique Sonata for example). So I decided to take on the challenge of arranging the Beethoven Sonatas for orchestra myself, all 32 of them.

    And it’s going pretty well so far, I’m almost done orchestrating the first movement of Piano Sonata no. 1 in F minor after just 3 days. Considering the fact that I have taken as long as 5 months for a full Beethoven arrangement in the past, this sheer speed more typical of my Mozart arrangements is pretty impressive to me. I have a question though. Should I go in sonata order, i.e. arrange Piano Sonata no. 2 second, no. 3 third and so forth or should I just do it in whatever order I want to, even if that means that the Appassionata Sonata is like the fifth one I arrange for an orchestra or some other small number?

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    Hello and welcome to the forum. I certainly admire your determination to undertake this project. I personally think you should do them in the order composed as your orchestrations will of necessity reflect the different stages of Beethoven's development and his use of the orchestra. I assume you know the Weingartner arrangement of Op.106?




    'Man know thyself'

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      #3
      Originally posted by Peter View Post
      Hello and welcome to the forum. I certainly admire your determination to undertake this project. I personally think you should do them in the order composed as your orchestrations will of necessity reflect the different stages of Beethoven's development and his use of the orchestra. I assume you know the Weingartner arrangement of Op.106?



      I don’t actually, I have never heard of that arrangement.

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        #4
        If you 've had a chance to listen to it, wonder what your opinion is and will you still attempt this one?
        'Man know thyself'

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          #5
          Originally posted by Peter View Post
          If you 've had a chance to listen to it, wonder what your opinion is and will you still attempt this one?
          The Hammerklavier Sonata sounds amazing on the piano and the orchestral arrangement is equally amazing, perhaps even a bit more so because of the tone color contrast. As for whether or not I will still attempt to orchestrate the Hammerklavier myself, I think so. The presence of already existing arrangements of a piece for a certain ensemble hasn't stopped me before, why should it with this Beethoven sonata? It certainly hasn't stopped me from orchestrating the Pathetique Sonata, despite multiple orchestral arrangements being out there. And complete vs incomplete preexisting arrangements doesn't really make a difference with me when arranging a piece either.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Caters View Post

            The Hammerklavier Sonata sounds amazing on the piano and the orchestral arrangement is equally amazing, perhaps even a bit more so because of the tone color contrast. As for whether or not I will still attempt to orchestrate the Hammerklavier myself, I think so. The presence of already existing arrangements of a piece for a certain ensemble hasn't stopped me before, why should it with this Beethoven sonata? It certainly hasn't stopped me from orchestrating the Pathetique Sonata, despite multiple orchestral arrangements being out there. And complete vs incomplete preexisting arrangements doesn't really make a difference with me when arranging a piece either.
            Well good for you - keep us updated with your progress.
            'Man know thyself'

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              #7
              Originally posted by Peter View Post

              Well good for you - keep us updated with your progress.
              I certainly will keep you updated on my progress with the Beethoven Sonatas.

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                #8
                Dear Caters, you share the same passion as I do for I have orchestrated Beethovens last 3 Piano sonatas op. 109 - 111, which was one of the most beautiful experiences of my life! Here the orchestration of op. 111: https://youtu.be/UE9XNIve9_M

                Gerd

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Peter View Post
                  Hello and welcome to the forum. I certainly admire your determination to undertake this project. I personally think you should do them in the order composed as your orchestrations will of necessity reflect the different stages of Beethoven's development and his use of the orchestra. I assume you know the Weingartner arrangement of Op.106?



                  Never heard of such arrangement!
                  The program of training me as a musician: https://musescore.com/courses/piano

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                    #10
                    The Weingartner orchestration's Adagio sounds beautiful eventhough it is in a somewhat late-Romantic style and not so much as Beethoven might have orchestated it. But the fast movements I do not really like. Why does he reduces so much the tempo in the first Allegro after the opening main theme? But this my be a matter of the rather lame interpretation and not of the Weingarten orchestration itself... I would love to do my own orchestration - at least some parts :-)

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by gprengel View Post
                      Dear Caters, you share the same passion as I do for I have orchestrated Beethovens last 3 Piano sonatas op. 109 - 111, which was one of the most beautiful experiences of my life! Here the orchestration of op. 111: https://youtu.be/UE9XNIve9_M

                      Gerd
                      Your orchestration of op. 111 is amazing. I hope mine turns out amazing when I eventually get to it.

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                        #12
                        The first thing I did in the new year was to see how I would orchestrate the opening of the 106 sonata: www.gerdprengel.de/Beeth_op106_I_orch.mp3 ;-)

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