What are you listening to now?

[Peter]

We have a limit of 10 pages (150 posts) on a thread which is why the previous thread of the same topic was closed.

I'm listening to Brahms piano concerto no.1 with Barenboim, Philharmonia and Barbirolli.

[Sorrano]

I've been listening to Tchaikovsky's Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom. It seems that I chanced upon one of the sections on YouTube a couple of years ago, then if I recall, Peter also recommended these so I purchased the CD. While listening I couldn't help but think of Bruckner's smaller scale choral pieces, as well. This is certainly not something I might have expected from Tchaikovsky!

[Harvey]

I've been listening to Tchaikovsky's Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom. It seems that I chanced upon one of the sections on YouTube a couple of years ago, then if I recall, Peter also recommended these so I purchased the CD. While listening I couldn't help but think of Bruckner's smaller scale choral pieces, as well. This is certainly not something I might have expected from Tchaikovsky!

Interesting because Rachmaninoff also wrote a Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom (Op.31). Rach was a big fan of Tachaikovsky.

[Zevy]

Beethoven #6 & #8. The Two F major symphonies. Bernstein/NYP. Marvelous!

[Schenkerian]

Bach B Minor, John Eliot Gardiner. I find I need Bach more and more these days. The Covid lockdowns have provided time for head space; thinking, reading, writing and listening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7obnfrlP0s

[Peter]

Bach B Minor, John Eliot Gardiner. I find I need Bach more and more these days. The Covid lockdowns have provided time for head space; thinking, reading, writing and listening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7obnfrlP0s

Totally agree and love this recording.

[Schenkerian]

Crucifixus is staggeringly beautiful and dramatic - and always brings me to my knees.

Would you say the base line is a Chaconne or just an Ostinato? It's hard to tell if there's any real change in these progressions to justify the former.

[Henrik Stromberg]

Good question! I live in Stockholm and to live there in right way you always need to listen to Angbatssang by incomparable Otto Lindblad (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocBit2_RiNE https://musescore.com/user/48743/scores/6798823).
His bio: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Lindblad

[Peter]

Crucifixus is staggeringly beautiful and dramatic - and always brings me to my knees.

Would you say the base line is a Chaconne or just an Ostinato? It's hard to tell if there's any real change in these progressions to justify the former.

I've always thought of it as an Ostinato but it does fit with a Chaconne, difficult one. Here is some analysis I found but I don't think it really clarifies the issue.
http://depauwform.blogspot.com/2005/...n-b-minor.html

[Sorrano]

Crucifixus is staggeringly beautiful and dramatic - and always brings me to my knees.

Would you say the base line is a Chaconne or just an Ostinato? It's hard to tell if there's any real change in these progressions to justify the former.

If we are looking at a variation form, then I would refer to that as a passacaglia. The chaconne is a harmonic repetition, the passacaglia has the repetitive bass line.

[Schenkerian]

Brahms uses the (symphonic) Passacaglia as the basis of the final movement of his 4th Symphony. I don't think this is similar to the bass line of the Cruxifixus in the Bach B Minor Mass, although I'm not absolutely sure: let's say it might be similar to the form of the passacaglia. However, I agree with Peter; it does fit with a Chaconne. There's plenty of evidence of Bach's use of that throughout his oeuvre as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT6SN4tPbv8

(The Brahms 4: another work which makes me a total wreck, particularly from Kleiber.)

[Sorrano]

Brahms uses the (symphonic) Passacaglia as the basis of the final movement of his 4th Symphony. I don't think this is similar to the bass line of the Cruxifixus in the Bach B Minor Mass, although I'm not absolutely sure: let's say it might be similar to the form of the passacaglia. However, I agree with Peter; it does fit with a Chaconne. There's plenty of evidence of Bach's use of that throughout his oeuvre as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT6SN4tPbv8

(The Brahms 4: another work which makes me a total wreck, particularly from Kleiber.)

I don't mean to be nitpicky, but I believe that 4th movement consists of variations against a harmonic progression, which is generally a chaconne.

[Peter]

I don't mean to be nitpicky, but I believe that 4th movement consists of variations against a harmonic progression, which is generally a chaconne.

I think Brahms described it as a Chaconne but for some reason it's generally referred to as a Passacaglia. Nikolaus Harnoncourt felt strongly that the form itself is more typical of the concluding movements in French operas from the Baroque era (especially Rameau).

[Schenkerian]

I've never heard of that final movement in Brahms' 4th Symphony referred to as a "Chaconne". That moniker seems to belong to the Baroque.

[Peter]

I think the distinction is so subtle that it isn't clearly defined. Perhaps Beethoven's 32 variations in C minor are also an example of Chaconne?