I was thinking about the piano sonatas, and I was wondering if it would be possible to put them in order from the easiest to play to the hardest (in a technical sense only). Anyone want to try this one?
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None of the Sonatas are of course easy, and hardly a single movement can be competently mastered by anyone below grades 7 or 8.
Not counting the delightful Op.49 sonatas,I'd say the Pathetique is probably one of the easiest (that's not to say it's easy!), and that without a doubt Op.106 is the most challenging, both musically and technically.
Of the early sonatas, the most difficult are Op.2 no.3 and Op.10 no.3.
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I think that with Beethoven, `mental technical` is tougher to apply than `practical technical`. I can play op. 49/2, but I doubt whether it will ever sound exactly as I`d like. This mental block is even more to the fore in the `Hammerklavier` adagio - note for note, not terribly difficult, but the concentration required is massive. The `Moonlight` adagio is "easy", but the presto is frightening!
I play to grade 6, & have attempted all the sonatas. Since Chris wanted a pecking order, & since I can play, if not brilliantly, I rank them (complete) in this "how quickly I gave up!" order:
Nos. 20,19,25,10,9,5,1,2,
8,16,3,24,15,6,12,27,
14,7,13,26,4,22,18,17,
11,21,28,30,31,32,23,29.
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To order the piano sonatas AND the string quartets? That's indeed too hard. I think I could spent two hours trying to order this just to see it a week later and think I should have ordered differently! Instead of that I will only mention two I like from different periods:
Piano Sonatas:
Early:
Op. 13
Op. 27/2
Heroic:
Op. 57
Op. 53
Later:
Op. 106
Op. 111
Op. 110
String Quartets:
Early:
Op. 18/1
Op. 18/5
Heroic:
Op. 59/1
Op. 74
Later:
(ALL!!!)
Ok… mmmm Op. 130 and Op. 132
I always wondered something about op. 106. Why this sonata and specially its last movement is always played so chaotically? I mean, I like that way but it bothers me to listen plenty of melodical lines which are never empathized. What do you think about this?
Hey, I received my Solomon's Beethoven yesterday!! And today I bought Fidelio by Kemplerer (Emi, 1962)
[This message has been edited by Luis (edited 01-03-2001).]Buy this before saying you don't like Mahler:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000001G96/qid=983416747/sr=1-1/ref=sc_m_1/104-8436844-5169509
You'll thank me later...
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Originally posted by PDG:
I play to grade 6, & have attempted all the sonatas. Since Chris wanted a pecking order, & since I can play, if not brilliantly, I rank them (complete) in this "how quickly I gave up!" order:
Nos. 20,19,25,10,9,5,1,2,
8,16,3,24,15,6,12,27,
14,7,13,26,4,22,18,17,
11,21,28,30,31,32,23,29.
mmm. I thik it's the other way! 29, 23, 32, 31...
(hey, that would be my first four pics too!)
Buy this before saying you don't like Mahler:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000001G96/qid=983416747/sr=1-1/ref=sc_m_1/104-8436844-5169509
You'll thank me later...
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Originally posted by Luis:
I always wondered something about op. 106. Why this sonata and specially its last movement is always played so chaotically? I mean, I like that way but it bothers me to listen plenty of melodical lines which are never empathized. What do you think about this?
Originally posted by Luis:
And today I bought Fidelio by Kemplerer (Emi, 1962)
Rod
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Originally posted by Rod:
What do you make of this recording? It was my first recording of Fidelio, I bought it because the critics regard it as the best. Well I can say, in my opinion, it is the worst interpretation I have heard. Everything goes too lamely, lacking all momentum and dynamism, beginning at the overture!! I don't think K captures the true spirit of the work. Why it is recommended is a mystery to me.
Rod
Michael
[This message has been edited by Michael (edited 01-04-2001).]
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Originally posted by Chris:
I don't get how you can say it lacks momentum, Rod. Everything seems dang near perfect to my ears. I guess we just like different things, but it seems strange that one thinks it's the BEST and one thinks it's the WORST.
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Originally posted by Chris:
I don't get how you can say it lacks momentum, Rod. Everything seems dang near perfect to my ears. I guess we just like different things, but it seems strange that one thinks it's the BEST and one thinks it's the WORST.
Rod
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"If I were but of noble birth..." - Rod Corkin
[This message has been edited by Rod (edited 01-05-2001).]
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