Haydn at Mozart's death

[Chaszz]

Originally posted by Rod:
This is the only sense I'm concerned with!

I don't think this is true, because you put a good deal of selfless effort into sharing your two loves, Beethoven and Handel, with other people. So I think your are concerned with other people's sense(s) as well.

Chaszz
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"Men become civilised, not in proportion to their willingness to believe, but in proportion to their readiness to doubt."

[Rod]

Originally posted by Chaszz:
I don't think this is true, because you put a good deal of selfless effort into sharing your two loves, Beethoven and Handel, with other people. So I think your are concerned with other people's sense(s) as well.

Chaszz

Well, I'll say I'm more concerned with promotion than conversion!


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[dawnbonfield]

I am new to you folks, so forgive the interruption... but is it not possible to revere one artist without disparaging another? I refer to the debate over whether the vocal works of Mozart or Beethoven, in fact, "rule". Thankfully, I am not bound by contract to prefer one composer over another. My husband must, and always shall be, the most magnificent man alive; fortunately, I do not owe such devotion to any one composer or peice of music. Like most people, I have been through periods when one particular composition or composer has so taken over my mind that all else is a mere shadow in comparison. This passes, and I can then return to the great, big world of music. What strikes me as banal at one point in my life may amaze me with its rich tapestry at another. At present, the second movement of Beethoven's 5th leaves me cold; I spend much of those minutes anticipating the next movement. I consider this my problem, not Beethoven's. Who knows what I shall hear in those notes five or ten years hence.

[Peter]

Originally posted by dawnbonfield:
I am new to you folks, so forgive the interruption... but is it not possible to revere one artist without disparaging another?

I absolutely agree.

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[Chaszz]

Originally posted by dawnbonfield:
I am new to you folks, so forgive the interruption... but is it not possible to revere one artist without disparaging another? I refer to the debate over whether the vocal works of Mozart or Beethoven, in fact, "rule". Thankfully, I am not bound by contract to prefer one composer over another....

This is nothing new for us here, but an ongoing thing. Our esteemed member Rod thinks only Beethoven and Handel are great composers, and the rest have all gotten into the pantheon by hook or crook or more likely the shallowness of generations of classical music lovers. Though probably neither of these views will ever persuade the other side, it gives us endless opportunities for spirited debate and sly pokes of derision.

-Chaszz

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"People become civilised, not in proportion to their willingness to believe, but in proportion to their readiness to doubt."

[Rod]

Originally posted by dawnbonfield:
I am new to you folks, so forgive the interruption... but is it not possible to revere one artist without disparaging another? I refer to the debate over whether the vocal works of Mozart or Beethoven, in fact, "rule". Thankfully, I am not bound by contract to prefer one composer over another.

Neither am I bound buy a contract, I paid good money to see those Mozart operas!! My only contract is with my own ears, or rather the one good ear!



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[Joy]

Originally posted by dawnbonfield:
I am new to you folks, so forgive the interruption... but is it not possible to revere one artist without disparaging another? I refer to the debate over whether the vocal works of Mozart or Beethoven, in fact, "rule" At present, the second movement of Beethoven's 5th leaves me cold; I spend much of those minutes anticipating the next movement. I consider this my problem, not Beethoven's. Who knows what I shall hear in those notes five or ten years hence.

I agree. Tastes change over the years. In fact, there's even some Beethoven that I find myself enjoying much more now that I'm older than when I first started listening to him around 6 yrs. old! And I totally agree with your statement that it's most certainly possible to revere one artist without disparaging another'.

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[Joy]

Originally posted by Poseidan73:
This has been a very interesting read. I love discovering the connection between composers. Is there any connection between Mendelssohn and Schumann?

Poseidan, If you're interested in Schumann there‘s a new book out entitled "Clara", by Janice Galloway about Composer/Pianist Clara Schumann and her life with Composer Robert Schumann.




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[SR]

Originally posted by thuy:
Mozart... Mozart... The best composer ever. As Brahms advised, all you have to do is listen to Nozze di Figaro, and you'll understand, while you wonder, that nothing Beethoven composed could even come close! Haydn was one discerning fellow!

You know I'm a big Mozart fan myself, but your comment is one of the dumbest things I've read. Only a fool would say nothing Beethoven wrote comes close to Mozart. Both men were genius. Only a fool and an ass would go to a Beethoven site and say it.

Any wise music lover would see the greatness of both composers, and know while it is possible to have a favorite between the two it is ludicrous to think that either one didn't write music that approached the others.


Steve

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I agree such a statement is ridiculous ,love makes one do and say foolish things ,I'm in love with Mozart myself right now I'm trying to remain circumspect about it .

[Joy]

I agree too. While we can all have our personal favourites it's hard to say that any one composer can't even approach another. They all had 'something' or they wouldn't have lasted 200-300 hundred years and some even longer.

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[dawnbonfield]

Originally posted by Joy:
I agree. Tastes change over the years. In fact, there's even some Beethoven that I find myself enjoying much more now that I'm older than when I first started listening to him around 6 yrs. old!

I am relatively new to concert music, but I have found this to be the case in literature, in art, in any subject worth mulling over for long periods of time! How rich it is that the work of a Beethoven, a Shakespeare, or a Picasso can grow and even seem to change with us. It excites me to imagine the depths and intricacies in Beethoven that I cannot yet hear.

[Peter]

Originally posted by Rod:
I've watched Don Giovanni and Cosi fan tutti live and, although there were no 'bad notes' as such, the music for large stretches failed to hold my interest. I have had this experience with other Mozart vocal pieces too. Sorry, perhaps its just me?!

".....I only regret that he could not first have convinced the English, who are still in the dark, of what I have been daily preaching to them.."

Haydn on hearing of Mozart's death.

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[yenl]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SR:
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You know I'm a big Mozart fan myself, but your comment is one of the dumbest things I've read. Only a fool would say nothing Beethoven wrote comes close to Mozart. Both men were genius. Only a fool and an ass would go to a Beethoven site and say it.

Any wise music lover would see the greatness of both composers, and know while it is possible to have a favorite between the two it is ludicrous to think that either one didn't write music that approached the others.


Steve

I think that this type of language is totally uncalled for. Thuy was wrong to start this, and yes he or she did start this, but this response is highly inappropriate. I think the administrator should remove it.

[Joy]

Mozart said, "I have learned from Haydn how to write quartets". When Haydn heard the six quartets, composed between 1782 and 1785, he said to Mozart's father, Leopold, "Before God and as an honest man I tell you that your son is the greatest composer known to me, either in person or by name."

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